Why do images I export look darker than they do in Aperture?

I'm using Aperture 3.2.3. Onscreen Proofing is on and set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1. In my image export settings, I've also selected sRGB IEC61966-2.1 and Gamma Adjust is set to 1.0 (which should mean no change, right?).
If I export an image and then view that image outside of Aperture (using Photoshop, Preview, even just selecting the image in the finder and pressing spacebar to view it), the image looks darker than the same image looks in Aperture. But I'm using the same Onscreen Proofing and image export setting of sRGB IEC61966-2.1. What's going on here?

Thanks Leonie, the second part revealed that I have been an idiot, although the behaviour is still surprising. The folder has a mix of DMC-G3 raws, Fuji X10 raws, and DNG files produced from both. For the Fuji X10 files, the DNGs produce images and the raws produce the "Unsupported file format" message. The latter is not surprising, the former a little surprising (as I've heard that DNGs only work when the associated raw works). The last two remarks don't directly address my problem (or perceived problem), but they perhaps set the frame for my expectations.
For the G3 files, when I look at it more closely, the G3 raws DO display correctly, while the G3 DNGs give "Unsupported file format". I had managed to fool myself into thinking it was the other way round (Aperture does rather hide the full file name).
So I was completely wrong, Aperture does support DMC-G3 raw, it's just it's DNG support that's a bit weird. However, it's on my side if I need to use X10 raws (via the DNG step). In fact so far I've given up the latter, as the noise levels are so much greater than in Fuji's in-camera JPEG conversion.
So, thanks very much for your help. Now I remember the first rule of system support: never trust what the customer tells you! (I know you're not really customer support, but I guess the same rule applies.) Thanks again

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