Why does Apple keep spamming me?
I'm a happy Apple customer except for the fact that I can't seem to get off the marketing email list. I've gotten Apple spam on these days this year: 5/14, 7/8, 7/10, 8/26, 9/22, & 9/23. Each time I've clicked on the link in the spam and asked to be unsubscribed. The web page has always come up and told me I'm unsubscribed and then I get more spam. Is this just happening to me?
I wouldn't have posted here except THERE'S NO FREAKING WAY TO TELL APPLE ANYTHING ANY OTHER WAY No general email address, no phone number that isn't for support. I've sent several emails and I get no reply. If anyone at Apple can fix this, my email address is the one I've logged into this forum with. Please stop spamming me!
My next stop will be the Attorney General of my state. Let's hope he's a Windows fan with a bone to pick...
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They're standard marketing junk. This latest is "Last chance to protect your MacBook". Thank God it's my last chance. Prior subject lines have been "Announcing HD TV shows on Apple TV", "Give the gift employees and clients want to get.", "Adobe Creative Suite 4. Preorder today.", "iMac. The perfect desktop computer for your home.", etc. I'll paste in below the full text of the email I received today. I've cut out parts that might compromise my account or privacy. Enjoy.
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Subject: Last chance to protect your MacBook.
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When I got my first iPhone back in February, the first thing I noticed was that when I plugged it into an older "universal dock," I'd get an error message, "this accessory is not made to work with iPhone." I managed to work around it. I bought a new dock that is compatible, and I discovered that so long as I was using the iPhone as an iPod in my car, it would charge that way. So I wasn't losing battery charge if I listened to my iPhone/Pod in the car. That was good enough.
Now, with 3G, first, I discover that the Universal dock that I purchased with the old iPhone generates the same stupid 'will not work with iPhone' message that the OLD iPhone generated with an older dock. So this iPhone 3G does not work with a dock that I purchased for the original iPhone, which did not work with the dock I had purchased for my iPods. Sheesh.
But, again, it gets worse: now, when I slip the 3G unit into the cradle/adapter in my car, it will not charge ever, not even when I'm using the iPhone 3G as an iPod. The audio connects, I can still use the iPhone as an iPod and listen to it and control it through the car stereo, but I'm draining the battery when I do.
So, from iPod, to iPhone, to iPhone 3G, it appears to me that Apple has changed something in the protocols for each new generation so that all the docks and accessories from the previous generation are no longer viable. Why are they doing that? What is the UPSIDE of this very obvious and irritating downside, other than the upside for Apple that gets to sell me ever more accessories.
Are other iPhone 3G users encountering irritations like this? What sort of work around are there? Anything?
The GPS and the faster data speeds of 3G are nice features, it's also nice to have a flush headphone mount (I can use this one with a bluetooth stereo headset transmitter). But there are other ways that this unit is just not integrating into the way want to use it, and I may be very tempted to go back to the original iPhone.
Anybody want to chime in with their experience?
Thanks,
--PSThere are two messages you might see. The one you allude to, "will not work with iPhone" is merely a warning that the accessory is not shielded against the electronic emissions of the iPhone, i.e. you may get a little static on the audio. You can ignore that error and use the accessory. The other error is a "will not charge" and that's because the iPhone 3G no longer draws power from the FireWire pins in the dock connector. Apple has been phasing out FW support - the ability to sync via FW was dropeed a couple of years ago. 3rd party manufacturers have known about this for some time, but seemingly chose to maximize profit by not changing their design (especially for car chargers, since the power input is 12 V, which FW can handle, but for USB the voltage must be stepped down to 5 V). There are dongles available to drop the voltage and move the power to the correct pins.
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Why does Apple keep caneling my iPhoto book order?!?
I have tried twice to orderan iPhoto book and both times it was canceled. The first time because you have to have iPhoto 6.0.1 or later (though they never tell you this when you are going through all the ordering process). This second time I ordered it 10 days ago using 6.0.4 and everything seemed fine. Until today when I checked the order online and it says that it has also been canceled (10 days after I placed the order!). These were to be christmas gifts... and worst of all Apple has NO PHONE SUPPORT of iPhoto orders! PLEASE HELP!!!!
TheRobin:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Did you try contacting them thru http://www.apple.com/support/iphoto/customerservice/orderbooks/ ? That's the official point of contact.
Check all of your text boxes to make sure there are no characters, returns, etc., below the visible window. Usually there should be a yellow caution triangle in the text box.
Be sure you're not using some unusual font that didn't come with your Mac.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've written an Automator workflow application, iPhoto dB file backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file. -
I had just redone all my security questions and committed them all to memory. Then the very next time I tried to log in-in oder to 'verify' they made me make up brand new ones. How does this 'verify' if they are new ones? How do they expect you to remember the security questions if they make you reset them over and over again on the the same day?
Try:
- Reset the iOS device. Nothing will be lost
Reset iOS device: Hold down the On/Off button and the Home button at the same time for at
least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears.
- Go to Settings>iTunes and App Store and sign out and sign back in
- Reset your Apple ID password
How do I change or recover a forgotten Apple ID Password?
If you've forgotten your Apple ID Password or want to change it, go to My Apple ID and follow the instructions. SeeChanging your Apple ID password if you'd like more information. -
Why does Apple keep deleting topics if it may give out release date?
i think its fishy
If it can be construed as speculative then that's against the terms of use of the forums (their site, their rules!) Were these dates from an official Apple release?
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hi my name is vitrieh kromontono.
i have a problem with my ipod touch 5th generation.
thank you.
regards,
vitrieh kromontonoLikely yo have an app or other iTunes medai trying to download or not completly downloaded.. What happens when you enter the password when connect to wifi?
You can try the standard fixes:
- Reset the iOS device. Nothing will be lost
Reset iOS device: Hold down the On/Off button and the Home button at the same time for at
least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears.
- Go to Settings>iTunesd and App stores and sign out and sign back in
- Sync to your computer
- Reset all settings
Go to Settings > General > Reset and tap Reset All Settings.
All your preferences and settings are reset. Information (such as contacts and calendars) and media (such as songs and videos) aren’t affected.
- Restore from backup. See:
iOS: How to back up
- Restore to factory settings/new iOS device.
If still problem, make an appointment at the Genius Bar of an Apple store since it appears you have a hardware problem.
Apple Retail Store - Genius Bar -
Are they going broke or what?
Can you be more specific?
And no, they aren't going broke or what. If you want help, try to give us some detail to work with and leave the sarcasm somewhere else. -
my ipod touch is stuck on the apple logo and after a while a white screen comes up and it restarts and the same thing all over agan. this happened to me before and after a while it turns on but why does it keep on doing this?
Try connecting the iPod Touch to your computer and restore it. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1414
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Why does Safari keeps crashing on my MacBook (OS 10.4.11)?
The error message I always get is that it had to shut down "unexpectedly." Any thoughts on why? If it helps, here's the error report - thanks in advance:
Date/Time: 2012-01-25 14:36:45.338 -0500
OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S2167)
Report Version: 4
Command: Safari
Path: /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari
Parent: WindowServer [58]
Version: 4.1.3 (4533.19.4)
Build Version: 1
Project Name: WebBrowser
Source Version: 75331904
PID: 214
Thread: 4
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x65536563
Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x927e87a8 -[NSLock lock] + 21
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285b768 -[NSHTTPCookieDiskStorage cookies] + 68
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285b5a4 -[NSHTTPCookieDiskStorage _tryCookieLookup:path:secure:result:] + 57
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285b2d0 -[NSHTTPCookieDiskStorage cookiesMatchingDomain:path:secure:] + 345
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285ab51 -[NSHTTPCookieStorage(NSPrivate) _cookiesForURL:withExtraCookies:] + 332
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x9286bd03 -[NSHTTPCookieStorage cookiesForURL:] + 48
7 com.apple.WebCore 0x01784154 WebCore::cookies(WebCore::Document const*, WebCore::KURL const&) + 176
8 com.apple.WebCore 0x01784093 WebCore::Document::cookie(int&) const + 287
9 com.apple.WebCore 0x01783f1c WebCore::jsDocumentCookie(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSValue, JSC::Identifier const&) + 46
10 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x006570b5 JSC::JSValue::get(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::Identifier const&, JSC::PropertySlot&) const + 749
11 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x0054697d cti_op_get_by_id + 127
12 <<00000000>> 0x2808a68b 0 + 671655563
13 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x0060a897 JSC::Interpreter::execute(JSC::FunctionExecutable*, JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSFunction*, JSC::JSObject*, JSC::ArgList const&, JSC::ScopeChainNode*, JSC::JSValue*) + 763
14 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x0058635d JSC::JSFunction::call(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSValue, JSC::ArgList const&) + 125
15 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x005862b5 JSC::call(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSValue, JSC::CallType, JSC::CallData const&, JSC::JSValue, JSC::ArgList const&) + 53
16 com.apple.WebCore 0x01786093 WebCore::ScheduledAction::executeFunctionInContext(JSC::JSGlobalObject*, JSC::JSValue) + 443
17 com.apple.WebCore 0x01785df4 WebCore::ScheduledAction::execute(WebCore::Document*) + 240
18 com.apple.WebCore 0x01785810 WebCore::DOMTimer::fired() + 104
19 com.apple.WebCore 0x016d5c7f WebCore::ThreadTimers::sharedTimerFiredInternal() + 97
20 com.apple.WebCore 0x016d5b8d WebCore::ThreadTimers::sharedTimerFired() + 59
21 com.apple.WebCore 0x01daac7d WebCore::timerFired(__CFRunLoopTimer*, void*) + 63
22 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082d756 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 3341
23 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ca42 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
24 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92e01878 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 285
25 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92e00f82 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 385
26 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92e00dd9 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 81
27 com.apple.AppKit 0x93286f45 _DPSNextEvent + 572
28 com.apple.AppKit 0x93286b37 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 137
29 com.apple.Safari 0x0000f6f9 0x1000 + 59129
30 com.apple.AppKit 0x932808c4 -[NSApplication run] + 512
31 com.apple.AppKit 0x93274820 NSApplicationMain + 573
32 com.apple.Safari 0x0000749b 0x1000 + 25755
33 com.apple.Safari 0x0010e512 0x1000 + 1103122
34 com.apple.Safari 0x00007219 0x1000 + 25113
Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x0050ade0 ***::ThreadCondition::wait(***::Mutex&) + 24
2 com.apple.WebCore 0x015eadd0 WebCore::IconDatabase::syncThreadMainLoop() + 256
3 com.apple.WebCore 0x015e8856 WebCore::IconDatabase::iconDatabaseSyncThread() + 192
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009817 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082d227 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ca42 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x928585da +[NSURLCache _diskCacheSyncLoop:] + 206
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x927fbcfc forkThreadForFunction + 123
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009817 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082d227 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ca42 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
3 com.apple.Safari 0x00026c6d 0x1000 + 154733
4 com.apple.Safari 0x00026b26 0x1000 + 154406
5 com.apple.Safari 0x00026aab 0x1000 + 154283
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 4 Crashed:
0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x90a594d8 objc_msgSend + 40
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90820767 __CFDictionaryFindBuckets1b + 88
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x908206f4 CFDictionaryGetValue + 201
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285b7de -[NSHTTPCookieDiskStorage cookies] + 186
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285b5a4 -[NSHTTPCookieDiskStorage _tryCookieLookup:path:secure:result:] + 57
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285b2d0 -[NSHTTPCookieDiskStorage cookiesMatchingDomain:path:secure:] + 345
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285ab51 -[NSHTTPCookieStorage(NSPrivate) _cookiesForURL:withExtraCookies:] + 332
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285a9c8 -[NSHTTPCookieStorage(NSPrivate) _cookieRequestHeaderFieldsForURL:withExtraCookies:] + 48
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285a0f9 -[NSConnectionHTTPURLProtocol addCookieFieldToHeader] + 182
9 com.apple.Foundation 0x92859ac7 -[NSConnectionHTTPURLProtocol buildHTTPRequest] + 204
10 com.apple.Foundation 0x92859994 -[NSConnectionHTTPURLProtocol startOriginLoad] + 46
11 com.apple.Foundation 0x928596cf -[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionInternal) _performOriginLoad] + 477
12 com.apple.Foundation 0x92857521 _resourceLoaderPerform + 250
13 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082cf06 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1213
14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ca42 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
15 com.apple.Foundation 0x9283139c +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionInternal) _resourceLoadLoop:] + 259
16 com.apple.Foundation 0x927fbcfc forkThreadForFunction + 123
17 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x92851c60 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] + 39
2 com.apple.Syndication 0x9991379e -[AsyncDB _run:] + 181
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x927fbcfc forkThreadForFunction + 123
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 6:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90019d0c select + 12
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 7:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00510742 ***::ThreadCondition::timedWait(***::Mutex&, double) + 74
2 com.apple.WebCore 0x018bb8d2 WebCore::LocalStorageThread::threadEntryPoint() + 170
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 8:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.ColorSync 0x915a96ab pthreadSemaphoreWait(t_pthreadSemaphore*) + 35
2 com.apple.ColorSync 0x915c3ddc CMMConvTask(void*) + 60
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 9:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00510742 ***::ThreadCondition::timedWait(***::Mutex&, double) + 74
2 com.apple.Safari 0x002ddd66 0x1000 + 3001702
3 com.apple.Safari 0x002dde5c 0x1000 + 3001948
4 com.apple.Safari 0x0003a0cd 0x1000 + 233677
5 com.apple.Safari 0x0003a02f 0x1000 + 233519
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 10:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009817 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082d227 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ca42 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91469356 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 158
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91469171 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 93
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 11:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x92851c60 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] + 39
2 com.apple.AppKit 0x9335dcb4 -[NSUIHeartBeat _heartBeatThread:] + 377
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x927fbcfc forkThreadForFunction + 123
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 12:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb8e86 MPWaitOnQueue + 198
2 AdobeACE 0x7fbb1179 ACEMPThread::Task() + 133
3 AdobeACE 0x7fbb10ed TaskGlue + 17
4 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb8ce0 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 13:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 AdobeAGM 0x7e4f14c4 pthread_condition_base::Wait(pthread_scoped_lock_base&) + 26
2 AdobeAGM 0x7e4f141d AGMMessageQueueImpl::Pull() + 65
3 AdobeAGM 0x7e8e2c30 AGMWorkQueueTask::operator()() + 84
4 AdobeAGM 0x7e8e3ebb boost::function0<void, std::allocator<boost::function_base> >::operator()() const + 75
5 AdobeAGM 0x7e4f12e1 thread_proxy + 45
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 14:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002689c kevent + 12
1 com.adobe.Acrobat.framework 0x80455533 CopiesPagesPDE_Open + 4561621
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 15:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009817 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082d227 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9083e100 CFRunLoopRun + 60
3 com.apple.QuickTime 0x943329b9 QTSNetworkThread_RunThread + 131
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 16:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002689c kevent + 12
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb8ce0 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 17:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb8e86 MPWaitOnQueue + 198
2 com.apple.DesktopServices 0x92721943 TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) + 143
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cb8ce0 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 18:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e31f unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47503
2 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c43714f 0x1c41d000 + 106831
3 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e40c unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47740
4 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e450 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47808
5 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e576 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 48102
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 19:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e31f unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47503
2 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c43714f 0x1c41d000 + 106831
3 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e40c unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47740
4 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e450 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47808
5 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e576 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 48102
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 20:
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
2 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c744548 0x1c41d000 + 3306824
3 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e40c unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47740
4 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e450 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47808
5 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e576 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 48102
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 21:
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
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Thread 22:
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
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Thread 23:
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
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Thread 24:
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
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Thread 28:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90047927 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
2 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c5fe9be 0x1c41d000 + 1972670
3 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e40c unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47740
4 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e450 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47808
5 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e576 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 48102
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 29:
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1 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e2e7 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47447
2 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c744548 0x1c41d000 + 3306824
3 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e40c unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47740
4 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e450 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 47808
5 ...lashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin 0x1c85e576 unregister_ShockwaveFlash + 48102
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84
Thread 4 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x65536563 ebx: 0x9081a6a6 ecx: 0x90a6692c edx: 0x00290049
edi: 0x20378a3c esi: 0x006f004d ebp: 0xb02a1548 esp: 0xb02a1514
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010206 eip: 0x90a594d8 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
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i was having crashing issues with Safari anytime i changed my bookmarks or opened a site for more than a few seconds, also. when i didn't see a reply to your issue, i kept digging in the community and came across this thread from someone having a similar issue:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/17113186#17113186
when i scrolled through the replies, i spotted this comment:
Carolyn Samit San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Why does Safari keeps crashing?
Dec 28, 2011 1:20 AM (in response to earl216)
From your crash report > /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin/Contents/PlugIns/FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5.plugin/Contents/MacOS/Flas hPlayer-10.4-10.5
Sometimes uninstalling the plugin then reinstalling will prevent Safari from crashing again.
Select 10.4 / 10.5 from the pop up menu here > http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
not sure if it matters that i'm a pc and you're a mac. lazy me didn't even uninstall my previous flashplayer.
i did have to install using chrome, which already had the updated flashplayer. and that's where the second post from Carolyn Samit came in handy. once i installed the proper "other version" for my system, i've been browsing without fail!!
in Safari-land, once again!
hope that helps! -
How long does apple keep messages in imessage?
Hello,
Can any one tell me how long does Apple keep messages sent via iMessage in the iCloud (or anywhere else)?
ThanksSo forceful! You have a source for that subpoena and a date I suppose? My Google-Fu must be weak because I couldn't find such a subpoena on the net.
By the way, that answer isn't a "no." "As long as necessary" can be along time since Apple cannot determine when you've read it everywhere you want to and so it's OK to delete.
I was able to pull iMessages from old deleted message threads on a new device. I also come home and sit at my Mac and my message conversation from the day on my iPhone becomes mirrored in iMessages on my computer, attachments and all, where I then copy the things I can't on the phone like ringtones and so on. Anyone can try this at home and I suggest you do. Where are these messages stored all day as I'm using my phone to be later mirrored on my home Mac?
I'm not seeing an error. I'm not just looking at unsent messages. Does it even matter anyway? Apple stores messages and their ToS states that they can do this, you agreed to it, and this policy can change at any time without your consent. Read it, thoroughly. I had to deconstruct it in a law class for a paper. I doubt you did this.
You are defensive but nobody is attacking Apple. Of course Apple stores messages for a long time. Why wouldn't they? Apple necessarily has access to the iMessage servers exactly the same as the servers that store your email or photo streams. There are legitimate business reasons! No one is saying they are abusing this access. This isn't even an issue but saying it doesn't happen betrays a lack of knowledge how this tech works.
If someone sent you a bunch of iMessages, maybe hundreds, and you haven't read them they aren't stored indefinitely until you read them on a device or on a Mac with your iCloud account? Can you say how long? No, you can't and neither can anyone outside of Apple and this is a changing number anyway.
You believe that once a message is sent that Apple immediately deletes it? Why would they when there's no requirement? You might check it from another device later on, Apple can't know if you've read it everywhere you want to. Syncing conversations across devices that are checked at different times requires some amount of storage of historical messages! Deleting a message immediately once sent would prevent this.
Do you thoroughly understand the technology involved? Do you have inside Apple knowledge of trade secrets?
I posted in this thread because I genuinely want to help the OP and you are speaking without evidence whereas my assertion is easily tested by the community in 10 minutes. -
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