Why Doesn't Illustrator do "Convert to Profile?"

In Photoshop, I can do all my work in Adobe RGB and then use "convert to profile" to create the final output file depending on how it will be used (sRGB, CMYK Sheetfed Coated, CMYK SWOP Uncoated etc.)
But in Illustrator there is no "convert to profile" -- and "assign profile" doesn't do the same thing.
I use Illustrator to create graphics for both web and print projects... so how do I work in Adobe RGB (to take advantage of the wider gamut) but still output proper colour profile files -- without having to go and change the colour settings every time I go from a print project to a web project?
Leif

Well, File>Document Colour Mode only converts to the working CMYK or the working RGB colour space -- so it's not quite what I'm after...
But maybe I should just make my default RGB space to be sRGB. That would simplify my web graphics workflow, and I could still easily go to CMYK when I output for print. It seems like the convenience of working in sRGB outweighs the benefit of the wider gamut of Adobe RGB.
What do you guys think? Are there any practical, real-world downsides to using sRGB for all my RGB design work? (we're not talking about fine art photography)
What default working spaces do you guys use? How do you deal with going back and forth between web projects and print projects?

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    If you are printing from Photoshop, you do not convert to that profile and save, otherwise it is embedded.
    That would only make sense if the printer was somewhere else, and you would then make a copy of that file with that specific printer profile embedded.
    What you do is use the Print dialog and check "let Photoshop manage colors" and you pick your profile from the list.
    Your file stays tagged as Adobe RGB.
    You can turn off mismatch warnings in CC 2014  But be sure you are not "hiding a problem".
    Edit menu > Color Settings
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    Gene

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