Why I always have to go back to Arch?
Hi there!
A little story about me. I discovered Linux a long ago (6-7 years ago) while I was interested in computer security and hacking, and got a hint the 1337s uses Linux (or any other unix based system), so I decided to try it (I choose for Linux because it was the most popular *nix based system atm).
My romance with Linux started with Mandrake (today Mandriva) and included distributions like Red hat (it wasn't enterprise oriented that time and AFAIK there were no Fedora yet), and the lovely Gentoo. Its funny tough, Ubuntu wasn't that popular at the time (I even remember how I was on an open lecture in University about open source and Linux, and I got a free CD of Ubuntu and no body heard about it before )
Anyway its stopped there for few years and I got back to Linux about 2 years ago, with Ubuntu on my desktop machine.
My nature is to discover and be different. If everybody uses Ubuntu, I must use something else (even now, I'm on Xubuntu).
This nature lead me to replace Ubuntu with Arch. This was the first time I encountered a very similar distribution to Gentoo, that were optimized to i686 and did not require you to compile every package (for instance I installed Gentoo like 2-3 times from scratch [those were beautiful Friday evenings-nights :romantic-smiley:]) and I remember how compiling Xorg took me hours (and when I say hours I mean hours, something like 6-8 hours).
Then I got back to windows since my old PC died and I got a new one and a laptop.
This leads us to nearly today. Right now I'm using my laptop as my main computer at home and at work (the desktop PC had a motherboard issue that was replaced under warranty. While they were fixing it, I switched to use my laptop).
I started with Ubuntu, simply because it works! But I hated Untiy and I switched to Xubuntu. But you do remember my nature right? This lead me to switching to Arch.
A few days of configurations and I got stable up and running system. Then I came to work and had some issues (especially with keyring) and they blocked me from working, instead I needed to fix them. Then I said "This is it! I need a machine that works!".
I removed Arch, installed Xubuntu and promised my self never to do this pointless Distro_name->Arch->Distro_name path, because well, it ends the same way always.
But you do remember my nature right? So right now I'm standing in front of a decision whether to go back to Arch or not. I must say I really like the rolling release scheme, I'm in love with pacman (its a lot more superior than apt-get or yum IMHO), I like the way you can customize Arch.
But Archs customization is also its weak point, you have to devote hours or reading and configuring to get a stable and running system. And sometimes (especially if you use your laptop for work or for studies or both) you need to have a running system and you don't want to mess with cups just because its 2 A.M. and you need to print your project to submit it in 5 hours (yes you must take care of it at a lot earlier point than 5 hours before deadline )
Ubuntu is nice, but its bloated. It doesn't even give you the option to select what packages you want to install (unlike Fedora for example). Its comes with (IMHO) stupid meta packages like ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop so its nearly impossible to try gnome3, xfce, openbox on the same system without breaking something.
Ubuntu simply works, but as soon as you need something deeper, you are screwed.
I don't really ask sort of a question here, but I know many of you use Arch (I'm on bbs.archlinux.org doh -.-' ) as your everyday system, so I would like to know how do you handle its configuration, what you do when something breaks and you don't have the time to fix it (you are at work, hitting the deadline of your university project or whatever). Maybe you will be able to convince me why I always want to get back to Arch and what I need to do to choose it as my the one and only distribution. Maybe you will be able to suggest me another distro that fits my needs. Or maybe you want to tell me how sucky I'm.
So simply go on and post, this is why I created this topic.
Thanks you for your time
skwo wrote:
Hi there!
A little story about me. I discovered Linux a long ago (6-7 years ago) while I was interested in computer security and hacking, and got a hint the 1337s uses Linux (or any other unix based system), so I decided to try it (I choose for Linux because it was the most popular *nix based system atm).
My romance with Linux started with Mandrake (today Mandriva) and included distributions like Red hat (it wasn't enterprise oriented that time and AFAIK there were no Fedora yet), and the lovely Gentoo. Its funny tough, Ubuntu wasn't that popular at the time (I even remember how I was on an open lecture in University about open source and Linux, and I got a free CD of Ubuntu and no body heard about it before )
Anyway its stopped there for few years and I got back to Linux about 2 years ago, with Ubuntu on my desktop machine.
My nature is to discover and be different. If everybody uses Ubuntu, I must use something else (even now, I'm on Xubuntu).
This nature lead me to replace Ubuntu with Arch. This was the first time I encountered a very similar distribution to Gentoo, that were optimized to i686 and did not require you to compile every package (for instance I installed Gentoo like 2-3 times from scratch [those were beautiful Friday evenings-nights :romantic-smiley:]) and I remember how compiling Xorg took me hours (and when I say hours I mean hours, something like 6-8 hours).
Then I got back to windows since my old PC died and I got a new one and a laptop.
This leads us to nearly today. Right now I'm using my laptop as my main computer at home and at work (the desktop PC had a motherboard issue that was replaced under warranty. While they were fixing it, I switched to use my laptop).
I started with Ubuntu, simply because it works! But I hated Untiy and I switched to Xubuntu. But you do remember my nature right? This lead me to switching to Arch.
A few days of configurations and I got stable up and running system. Then I came to work and had some issues (especially with keyring) and they blocked me from working, instead I needed to fix them. Then I said "This is it! I need a machine that works!".
I removed Arch, installed Xubuntu and promised my self never to do this pointless Distro_name->Arch->Distro_name path, because well, it ends the same way always.
But you do remember my nature right? So right now I'm standing in front of a decision whether to go back to Arch or not. I must say I really like the rolling release scheme, I'm in love with pacman (its a lot more superior than apt-get or yum IMHO), I like the way you can customize Arch.
tl;dr
But Archs customization is also its weak point, you have to devote hours or reading and configuring to get a stable and running system. And sometimes (especially if you use your laptop for work or for studies or both) you need to have a running system and you don't want to mess with cups just because its 2 A.M. and you need to print your project to submit it in 5 hours (yes you must take care of it at a lot earlier point than 5 hours before deadline )
That is the strong point. Arch's customisation allows me to use it on the craptop and on the desktop. I prefer to see it as an investment of time to get a system I want instead of one a developer thinks I want (don't get me wrong open source devs do an amazing job!)
Ubuntu is nice, but its bloated. It doesn't even give you the option to select what packages you want to install (unlike Fedora for example). Its comes with (IMHO) stupid meta packages like ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop so its nearly impossible to try gnome3, xfce, openbox on the same system without breaking something.
Ubuntu simply works, but as soon as you need something deeper, you are screwed.
Bloat is the price you pay to have a distro that works out of the box.
I don't really ask sort of a question here, but I know many of you use Arch (I'm on bbs.archlinux.org doh -.-' ) as your everyday system, so I would like to know how do you handle its configuration, what you do when something breaks and you don't have the time to fix it (you are at work, hitting the deadline of your university project or whatever). Maybe you will be able to convince me why I always want to get back to Arch and what I need to do to choose it as my the one and only distribution. Maybe you will be able to suggest me another distro that fits my needs. Or maybe you want to tell me how sucky I'm.
So simply go on and post, this is why I created this topic.
Thanks you for your time
My arch setup is relatively simple, I set cron jobs to back up files with rsync and keep important config files backed up too. I am lucky by the fact I have a laptop I can use if the desktop breaks and vice versa but the sensible solution is to upgrade after work is done.
I keep coming back to arch because of pacman and the AUR. No package manager comes close.
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