Why Is Adobe discriminating their buyers?

Hello!
I'm in process of opening a small video production studio. Wanting to make everything legal, I went to check prices of Adobe software.
Here in Croatia, where I'm located, Adobe Production Premium 5.5 is priced at 15.000 Kuna, which is cca. $3.000.
Then I checked Adobe online store and found same package at price of $1.700. But when I wanted to buy it, it was available only to US.
So, can anyone explain me why I have to pay almost double the price for same piece of software? And why isn't it available online for me to buy at $1.700?
As I found out by little research, average salary in US in 2010/2011. is around $70.000 which comes out around $5.800 a month.
Do you know what is average monthly salary in Croatia? Aprox. 5.500 Kn which is $1.000.
So, while someone in US can buy three Adobe packages in one month, I have to work three months to buy one.
Also, when I contacted our BSA and asked if I could buy software in US, import it and pay taxes for it, they said "No!".
And that "No!" is because Adobe decided to put “Only for distribution in North America” on bottom of their US boxes so that software is not legal in Croatia.
Same piece of code, same DVD, same box. But because of that sign on bottom of the box, I have to pay double the price.
I find that unfair. And I find hard to start any bussines with expenses I meet before I even start my own bussines.

Captiv8r wrote:
You sure about that?…
Of course I am; I always am!
Captiv8r wrote:
…As long as the pricing is what folks consider to be high and folks in Croatia are still buying them…
Ah, but in ridiculously low numbers when it comes to legitimate copies of the software. Pirated, hacked versions from China don't count.
Captiv8r wrote:
…Maybe I'm misunderstanding…
I think you are.
Just look at what has happened to the value of the Adobe corporation in the last five years. It has lost more than one fourth of its value:
Now comp[are that to Apple's stock during the same period. It's up by practically 360%:
I don't think the Adobe bean counters get it.
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Thanks for your explanation. I appreciate your feedback.
I'm glad we agree that ideally there should be 2 main tools, one for designers(Flash Professional) and one for programming(Flash Builder).
You had mentioned "But, that assumes this is possible. As it currently stands it is not" and the reason being "Catalyst, and Builder both use a completely different framework from Professional. The component architecture is drastically different, not to mention the entire backend of the software.".
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3) the flex framework (mxml, fxg)
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If you are refering to #2 then I think you're incorrect, because Flash Professional has been updated to AS3 and Flex4 Spark components use AS3. I would totally agree with you, if CS4 did not go through all of the trouble updating to AS3.
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Maybe we should make some noise before its too late.
I'm still interested in seeing more links that show the logic behind the initial discussions of this debate when it was first decided.
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