Why is illustrator converting pantone to CMYK/paler colors?
Hello,
I have been working on the graphic design of a tin top for some time now, and just now came across this problem this morning. I have been working entirely in RGB since I began so that I could utilize a full range of colors. Recently, I found out that the company that is manufacturing the tin is able to print in Pantone solid coated. I then decided to convert the tin design to RGB colors that match colors in the Pantone solid coated color book. This worked for quite some time without any problem; i was able to design the tin using a vibrant green, red, orange, and purple. This morning, I went to save my most recent document - i have created multiple documents using the same colors with slight design variations - and the only thing that was different about this document was that the red tone i used came directly from the pantone solid coated color swatch palette. When i went to save the document, a message came up that read "when spot colors are used with transparency, changing them to process colors outside of illustrator can generate unexpected results." After that, i don't know what happened. Aside from the original design, which has the vibrant green, i am unable to duplicate the green using the color palette. It automatically converts to a paler, ugly green. As with CMYK, there now many shades that I cannot seem to use because the shade is deemed 'out of gamut'. This problem seems to apply to many of the colors i have been using, primarily green tones. I have checked, and all my color settings are still RGB, even though the color palette seems to be acting as though it is in CMYK. When i select the vibrant green using the eyedropper, it immediately appears paler when i try to access it from the color picker. Also, whenever i save my current tin... the one that still appears with the vibrant green in illustrator... it appears as the paler green as a jpeg and pdf (unless i look at the file in acrobat pro, then the vibrant green is retained.) I don't know what is going on, and am wondering how to get back to my old settings so that I can work with a full range of colors. What surprised me was that I haven't run into this problem before and I have been working with these colors for many weeks... It is also putting these restrictions on all my older documents as well as newly created ones. Any advice would be much appreciated...
Thanks!
I will clarify by taking some screenshots...
Shot 1: This is what the tin should look like, and has looked like as I have been working with it. All the colors are RGB colors. Notice that the green of the tin is the same green that appears in the lower left of the screen on the menu. It is R102 G189 B41.
Shot 2: Now, when I double click on the color picker while it is still in the exact same color as shot 2, you will notice that the color picker immediately identifies it as a darker, paler green, even though it claims the RGB value is still R102 G189 B41.
Notice that the green in the little circle is the same green on the tin, while the green in the two boxes by 'OK' and 'Cancel' are the different green... the same way that Illustrator converts color to the nearest CMYK value. Because I am in RGB, i don't understand why this value is changed.
Shot 3: Now, when i save the file as a jpeg or pdf, when i view the jpeg on my computer or as a pdf in adobe acrobat pro, the green appears at it should. However, when i view either the pdf or the jpeg on another computer, it appears as the altered green.
Hope this helps clarify the problem... Another interesting thing i noticed... The pantone color 368c looks different according to illustrator than it does for photoshop. In photoshop, it is considered the exact same vibrant green as my tin, while in illustrator it is much closer to the green in shot 3. Do you know what accounts for this difference?
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Hi All,
I have few BASIC Questions on converting RGB to CMYK in Photoshop and Illustrator. Hope could get some professional insights here.
1, Are all the DTG printers set only in CMYK color mode ?
2, If there is no difference after viewing RGB image with 'Gamaut Warning' (Photoshop), Does that mean I'll have the exact print result as monitor view ?
and Basically no need for CMYK conversion ?
3, Please list some the most effective way to convert RGB to CMYK, and keep the final CMYK color result as close as the RGB.
4, when I simply convert one RGB image to CMYK color, why Ps/AI don't allow me to save as PNG file ?
( I save the file as PDF, but I cannot edit this PDF using apple preview app )
5, compare Photoshop to Illustrator, which one result better final CMYK color image ?Thanks for the detailed reply. Sure clear some of the doubts.
I just start to draw/design in Photoshop and illustrator, I save my files most as PNG, for a transparent background.
After I went to officework do the poster printing, I found the color of my print image are not as vivid as Mac preview.
To be precise, the poster I printed looks like has a very thin grey layer, it is not much noticeable, but it indeed lost some vivid color. As I want to print out my works and keep color as close exact as Mac preview, here is the issue of coverting RGB CMYK.
Please feel free to add for below:
1, Should I set color space in CMYK before drawing in PS/AI
2, in PS, I convert profile from PNG file to CMYK save as psd file, that psd file preview exactly same as PNG.
But when saved as PDF, the file preview a bit grey. Can someone explain this?
3, Now im thinking, since CMYK is all about printers, it really should be the profession in printing shop who shall check my image, and edit/convert to the right color space to fit their printers. -
Cannot completely convert PDF from CMYK to RGB
I have a 48-page CMYK pdf that was produced by Quark. All placed images are CMYK.
Using Acrobat X, I select Tools -> Convert Colors -> Convert Colors to Output Intent sRGB IEC61966-2.1, I am able to convert 99.99% of the document to RGB. However, a tiny portion of the document (a total of only 32 pixels) stubbornly remains CMYK. I cannot get a completely RGB PDF, and it's causing problems with our production process.
The parts that remain CMYK are miniscule. For example, there's an apostrophe on page 34, the top half of a comma on page 8. Examination of the uncompressed PDF reveals 3 tiny CMYK objects. Here's a typical object that is only 3x6 pixels.
5606 0 obj
<<
/ColorSpace /DeviceCMYK
/Subtype /Image
/Length 6
/Width 3
/Type /XObject
/BitsPerComponent 1
/Height 3
>>
stream
^Q^P^Q^P^Q^P
endstream
endobj
Also, at one point in the document is a reference to a /Separation of DeviceCMYK, which I don't understand (I assume this is item (1) in the report below:
3307 0 obj [/Separation /All /DeviceCMYK 4249 0 R]
endobj
When I produce a preflight inventory, it reveals four references to CMYK:
(1) Color Space 316 (out of 316)
on page 45
Color Space properties:
Separation color space: "Registration color" CMYK (1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0)
Color name: All
Alternate color space
DeviceCMYK color space
(2) Image 935 (out of 2432)
on page 48
Image properties:
Page 48: CMYK
Width/Height (pixel): 3/3
Bits per color component: 1
Treated as a mask: False
Perform interpolation: False
Compression/encoding
ZIP/Flate compression (FlateDecode)
DeviceCMYK color space
(3) Image 2233 (out of 2432)
on page 34
Image properties:
Page 34: CMYK
Width/Height (pixel): 2/5
Bits per color component: 1
Treated as a mask: False
Perform interpolation: False
Compression/encoding
ZIP/Flate compression (FlateDecode)
DeviceCMYK color space
(4) Image 2302 (out of 2432)
on page 8
Image properties:
Page 8: CMYK
Width/Height (pixel): 2/7
Bits per color component: 1
Treated as a mask: False
Perform interpolation: False
Compression/encoding
ZIP/Flate compression (FlateDecode)
Why can I not complete the CMYK->RGB conversion? And why do only 32 pixels out of millions in the document refuse to convert?
Is there a way to force the document colorspace and all colors to become RGB beyond what I've already done?That might be it, Jacob.
It's when, for instance, I have the Appearance window open and shift-click on the stroke or fill to see the color attibutes (rather than simply looking at the swatches). It kept showing up in CMYK.
But making that change in the flyout seems to have it showing properly.
Thanks! -
Converting to CMYK destroys colors
I usually do web graphics in RGB. I was asked to do a bottle label for print. I built it in my usual RGB color space, then tried converting it to CMYK at the end. This ruins the colors. Obviously I don't know enough about working for print. Should I have built my file originally in CMYK? How can I do the CMYK conversion and preserve my colors, which the client loves? I can't believe these colors are not possible to print.
Interesting that black type in rgb does not translate to black type in cmyk.
The RGB black (in RGB there is true black) is separated according to the GCR settings of the target profile; those determine how much colour may be printed on any one spot (Total Area Coverage or TAC) and how to combine the four colours at the various luminances.
Can you shed some light on this?
As I understand it the printer recommends printing 5C – black from the process colors and 4 Pantone Colors.
To select the Pantone Colors I would highly recommend referring to the actual printed Pantone Color Books – if you don’t have those maybe you can borrow them, because they aren’t exactly cheap (as can be expected when a book has to be printed with more than 1000 colors).
In the section you posted I see no need for gray and the soft inner bevel in the blue type could probably be done with mixing the dark and light blue.
But when it comes to mixing Spot Colors digital proofing systems are usually not perfectly reliable.
But Photoshop falls short here in my opinion – one pretty much has to do the trapping manually (for example where the light and dark blue touch one would expand the light blue to avoid white lines if registration varies in printing) and the white text on the blue background would be pixel content and not type/vector, so it may be a little soft edged in print. -
I have a problem of conversion of pantone to CMYK.
Before the CC 17.1.0 update, the conversion of pantone P206C (for example) gave it:
Now the conversion is no longer possible because I can't see anymore the small square logo CMYK but LAB logo and the conversion is wrong:
Does anyone also have this problem?
Thank you.
J'ai un problème de conversion de pantone en CMYK.
Avant la mise à jour CC 17.1.0, la conversion du pantone P206C (par exemple) donnait ça :
Maintenant la conversion n'est plus possible car il n'y a plus le petit logo de conversion CMYK mais LAB et la conversion est fausse :
Quelqu'un a-t-il aussi ce problème ?
Merci.I used illustrator CS5.
And the library is PANTONE+ solid coated.
I can use my old file (made with CS5), it gives me right color and right conversion. But if I create a new file with CC 17.1.0, the color is awful and conversion incorrect.
Thanks for your help. -
Hi, cannot convert RGB to CMYK...
I cannot find such an option in the Elements? Can anyone help how can I convert the files to CMYK from RGB using this tool...
Thanks
ansuElements can't convert RGB to CMYK. You'd need the full Photoshop.
Otherwise you can google 'RGB to CMYK' conversion to find online or software tools that can do that.
The real question is why do you need CMYK. If it's a request from a printer shop, it's their job and responsibility to do the conversion, since such a conversion can only be properly done when you know the specificity of your printing tools, inks and papers. -
Having troubles converting RGB to CMYK
@Hi guys
I having massive issues with converting my business logo form RGB to CMYK. I need to place this logo on my business card ready for printing. I created the logo in RGB format to start of with, but it keeps coming out darker and abit grayscaled
once the conversation is set. Can anyone help me out with this issue, and if so, can you also provide the steps in how to resolve this issue for future references. Im using Adobe Photoshop CS5 for this execise. I can also provide the actual image attached below as the second image,.These bright pink and purple colours are obviously way out of gamut so they convert badly to CMYK. Exactly how they convert depends on what colour profile you are using
It will probably be best to either rework the design using mixtures of cyan and magenta only or else use mixtures of Pantone colours.
The Pantone solution will only work for offset printing but is no use for a home printer.
Read up on colour management like Mylenium says and learn to think in terms of inks rather than screen colours.
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