Why is Xmonad so beautiful? (Discussion about tiling WMs)

About a week ago I started to use Xmonad - and I am highly impressed! The complete work flow is a breeze, I don't have to keep track of all my hundreds of programs anymore - at least the way I used to.
Everything is arranged, nice and neatly. It is the first time I am actually taking advantage of the possibilities offered by having different workspaces!
Starting with Windows 95 (I was just 6 years or so old), then later with Windows 98 and Windows XP I was used to work with only one workspace, alt+tabbing my way through the clutter of windows being spread all over. After my switch to GNU/Linux (Ubuntu at that time) this didn't really change, although there were different workspace. It was the same with Openbox or KDE later one. The possibility was there, but it just didn't come natural to work like that.
But with those tiling WMs I am seriously spoiled! Just after this very week I am already having a hard time adopting to a classic floating WM again.
Now I just wonder - how come tiling WMs aren't widely used these days? Is it because Microsoft didn't support them? Or Apple?
When did tiling WMs actually emerge? And do you think there is a chance for them to get widely accepted, even among non-techsavvy people?
Or for those who are using Floating WMs - did you ever try a tiling WM? Are you planning to? If you tried one, why aren't you using it?
What do guys think is the major advantage of tiling WMs over floating WMs and vice versae?
I would like to hear some opinions.

slackhack wrote:I thought about using a tiling WM, but I use mostly browsers and other gtk2 gui apps, with terminals secondarily. tiling WMs seemed better if you primarily use terminals, am I wrong about that? It just seems like I would feel constricted or restrained not being able to move windows around, resize them, etc. what's the best tiling WM to try? Awesome?
Hell no. I recommend xmonad. You can intergrate any DE you want too,
Ashren wrote:
I don't find Xmonad beautiful, especially not the syntax of the config file, what a nightmare.* Dwm on the other hand, that's a beaut - a real archers choice.
I'm running gnome when procrastinating and dwm when procrastinating with scripts and lots of terminal work.
* A clear indication of lack of basic Haskell l33tness. I did enjoy running Xmonad after a week of tinkering, though.
I think that your statement is not true anymore. the dwm configuration file has been constantly changing for like half a year or so which is very irritating. also the attempt to intergrate xinerama support with all those xv, yv 's or what they were called was very funny, and frustrating to say the least. also see my response to slackhack.
Even though xmonad is written in haskell, and i dont know any haskell, its the only serious tiling window manager left out there.
maybe wmii too. dwm is probably still a good base to build your own kickass wm.
Stalafin wrote:When did tiling WMs actually emerge?
With Windows 1.0?
Last edited by dolby (2008-07-15 22:05:54)

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Can someone explain what that means
I checked this comparo of tiling WMs and the only clue I got was this obscure statement
The user must manually move windows around.
Can someone elaborate on it? What does it mean to the actual user? If I am moving the windows manually as a user(whatever that means), what do the other Tiling WMs that have a dynamic management style do differently?
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Inxsible wrote:
u_no_hu wrote:
Dynamic - the wm places the windows according to the layout you choose (awesome , xmonad,dwm etc)
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I am trying them out. I have currently installed awesome, dwm and wmii to see which suits me. well I removed awesome when I saw on the wiki that the recommended is awesome-git and I had installed it from the repo. So I will be installing the git version tonight.
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As dieter@be said, start with wmii, because it has a pretty good tutorial on startup which gives you a pretty good idea about tiling wms. Once you get the idea, try them all and you will find something which will suit you.
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Very odd.
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Thanks for the response. I Can't say I agree with your points at all.
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This is what Apple say on the subject;
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Seem to me that he had a mechanical problem, completely legitimate.
He asked for advice on how to deal with the issue he had. He got advice. Nobody told him what to do - when I make a post, usually, the post allows me to decide if I want to mark it answered. His was locked. Doesn't that strike you as a bit strange?
His original question expressed a bit of frustration at being told he'd likely have to pay $500 for what he considered a hardware failure or design fault. He wasn't rude, profane or unreasonable in what he originally wrote, otherwise he wouldn't have got replies.
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