Wild swings in BT Infinity 2 sync rate.

Got connected at the start of July. BTHH5 listed maximum data rate at 21000 something up, capped at 19999 and between 73000 something and 74000 something down. After the modem decided to start chucking off the wireless devices, a factory reset was required, which reduced the down by about a 1000 or so. Then a couple of weeks later, the maximum data rate went up to 97000 something down, capped at 79999, and 33000 something up, capped at 19999. This was clearly good news, as speed tests now came out at 75 meg down, and the same 19 meg up on the iPad Air, while as the previous down throughput was 67-68 meg at best. Now I know these are good figures anyway, but considering we live so close to the street cabinet, I'd thought we might get the max speeds anyway. Ex hurricane Bertha comes through and the max line speeds dropped back to their previous values, although curiously as the modem didn't re-sync, we maintained the higher sync rates. That was until today, when the HH5 played up again, this time bringing the 5Ghz band only used by the iPad to a grinding near halt, while the 2.4Ghz band continued as normal. Another hard factory reset seems to have cleared that, but the modem has now synced at the lower speeds again. Is there anyway of regaining the faster sync speeds, or do I just have to wait another few weeks and see the sync speeds increase again? These are the current stats,
1. Product Name: HomeHub5
2. Serial number: +076284+1402007930
3. Firmware version: v0.07.01.0235-BT (Type B) Last updated [Unknown]
4. Board version: 01
5. VDSL uptime: 0 days, 00:21:39
6. Data Rate: 19999 / 72757
7. Maximum Data Rate: 21196 / 72761
8. Noise Margin: 6.8 / 6.1
9. Line Attenuation: 0.0 / 10.3
10. Signal Attenuation: 0.0 / 0.0
The noise margin figures increased significantly when the faster sync rate was achieved, I thought it should be the other way round? The line attenuation has always been either 10.3 or 10.4 down.

We have in the past had occasional noise on the line, usually after it's rained hard. This has led to a complete loss of phone and broadband service. Initially the line has been completely dead, followed by a return of some dial tone, drowned out by a hissing, scratching noise, etc, with the phone ringing randomly. Obviously have reported this line fault each and every time to BT. However by the time they come round, 3 working days later, the fault has gone and they can find nothing wrong. Been repeatedly told they can't do anything unless the fault is present when they come round. I tell them, well come quicker then, which elicits a blank response, and the cycle continues. I've been told it's probably a battery fault. This hasn't happened for some time (touch wood). The last time, the line just went completely dead. They switched the line at the street cabinet, which led to the line attenuation increasing significantly on the old router stats, and a drop in ADSL2+ sync speed. Was suggested that they may have piggy backed the line to another adjacent street cabinet. There often seems to be someone there doing something. Many people in our street and beyond have had the same problems, with loss of service in some cases in the weeks!
P.S. The previous HH5 hard factory reset required all the wireless devices to be reconnected manually. This hasn't happened this time, all the devices just picked up the connection again. Is this normal? Could it in some way suggest that the hard reset wasn't a hard reset, even though I stuck the pin in the back of the modem?
P.P.S. I can't do the quiet line test at the moment.

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  • Max Attainable Vs Actual Rate

    I have an unlocked and updated HG612 modem and its great, much faster connection than i used to get however i do have one question.
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    Upstream sync is always bang on what the max attainable is but downstream is always much lower.
    I do keep an eye on my stats and the worst I have seen the max attainable drop to is 56000Kbps with a SNR down in the high 4's low 5db but this was only once and my Max Attainable even on a busy saturday evening is usually at its lowest 59000Kbps with a SNR of around 5.6db
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    Stuey3d wrote:
    This is what i get when i telnet
    # xdslcmd info --pbParams
    xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
    Status: Showtime
    Retrain Reason: 0
    Max: Upstream rate = 14851 Kbps, Downstream rate = 60524 Kbps
    Path: 0, Upstream rate = 14844 Kbps, Downstream rate = 52800 Kbps
    Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
    US: (0,95) (880,1195) (1984,2771)
    DS: (32,859) (1216,1959) (2792,4083)
    Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
    US: (0,95) (880,1195) (1984,2771)
    DS: (32,859) (1216,1959) (2792,4083)
    VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
    Attainable Net Data Rate: 14851 kbps 60524 kbps
    Actual Aggregate Tx Power: 6.9 dBm 12.9 dBm
    ============================================================================
    VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
    Line Attenuation(dB): 2.3 30.8 47.6 N/A 15.3 39.1 61.6
    Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.3 30.7 47.5 N/A 15.3 39.1 61.6
    SNR Margin(dB): 5.4 6.0 6.0 N/A 6.1 5.9 5.5
    TX Power(dBm): -3.6 -11.5 6.5 N/A 10.4 7.3 5.3
    # xdslcmd info --show
    xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
    Status: Showtime
    Retrain Reason: 0
    Max: Upstream rate = 14851 Kbps, Downstream rate = 60904 Kbps
    Path: 0, Upstream rate = 14844 Kbps, Downstream rate = 52800 Kbps
    Link Power State: L0
    Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
    VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
    TPS-TC: PTM Mode
    Trellis: UN /DN
    Line Status: No Defect
    Training Status: Showtime
    Down Up
    SNR (dB): 6.0 6.0
    Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
    Pwr(dBm): 12.9 6.9
    VDSL2 framing
    Path 0
    B: 51 238
    M: 1 1
    T: 64 64
    R: 12 16
    S: 0.0313 0.5124
    L: 16339 3981
    D: 1033 1
    I: 64 255
    N: 64 255
    Counters
    Path 0
    OHF: 7070328 1736968
    OHFErr: 23 16
    RS: 1809878019 3729992
    RSCorr: 495585 81
    RSUnCorr: 405 0
    Path 0
    HEC: 66 0
    OCD: 0 0
    LCD: 0 0
    Total Cells: 1445098027 0
    Data Cells: 48824469 0
    Drop Cells: 0
    Bit Errors: 0 0
    ES: 6 9
    SES: 0 0
    UAS: 17 17
    AS: 14235
    Path 0
    INP: 3.00 0.00
    PER: 2.00 8.19
    delay: 8.00 0.00
    OR: 95.73 22.44
    Bitswap: 2834 1
    Can anyone tell me if this is good or not, i dunno how to interpret these stats, if someone could highlight the bits i am interested in that would be cool thanks
    So the max sync rate of your line is Max: Upstream rate = 14851 Kbps, Downstream rate = 60524 Kbps
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  • Noise margin - Infinity 2

    Folks, apologies if this question's been asked already - but can noise margin be reset or lowered on an Infinity 2 connection?
    With our old ADSL line, and Billion Bipac 7800n router, I know we could lower it ourselves or ask the ISP to do it. But I can't seem to telnet into the HH5 and after reading some of the previous forum postings I'm not sure BT Openreach allow this? We had a steady noise margin of 6db on our old ADSL, however I see from the stats in the HH5 that it's currently 6.5. I know it's not much, but I was wondering if it could be lowered manually and I could get optimal speeds.
    Or does Infinity/VDSL work in different ways?
    Cheers!

    Regrettably I do not think this can be changed by the customer or BT Wholesale. If the noise margin becomes really silly (e.g. 10dB on infinity) you can try to get it reset but it requires a BT Openreach engineer with a job number for your line and persistence on his part.
    I think the target should be around 5.9-6.0dB and at 6.5dB you are only slightly above this so close to maximum bandwidth. I'm guessing 6.5dB is a current rather than average figure, so it may be at some points during the day the noise on the line has increased and so your current noise margin. Also bear in mind that depending on the chipset in your modem the noise figure may be more of an estimate than an actual measurement. However the high noise margin may be due to the BRAS profile so you have my sympathy as in my opinion 'the system' limits the sync rate rather too aggressively. 

  • I think my sync speed is stuck or been capped

    Hi everyone, last week i had a full line reset because i started dropping in speed, from 16meg al the way down to 9meg, at the time time of the reset my sync speed went to 12.5meg, 24 hours later i was down to 9.494meg down and 1.12 up, im supposed to be on another 10day training but nothing has happened, meaning the hhb3 hasnt switched off or resynced since i dropped to 9.4meg, now after 5 days of constant connection there was still no change so i did a something to try and make my speed drop but nothing happened, it still synced at the exact same speed 9.4meg, im certainly not rate adaptive and i cant have any line issues or my speed would of dropped after constantly plugging in and out the socket and making it resync, so the only things i can come up with is that ive either been capped or the exchange has got stuck for some reason, ive even gone through my entire extension wiring and changed it to cat6, it made my line attenuation lower but no change in sync rate heres my speed test and hub stats.
    ADSL Line Status
    Connection Information
    Line state:
    Connected
    Connection time:
    0 days,
    04:02:35
    Downstream:
    9.494 Mbps
    Upstream:
    1.129
    Mbps
    ADSL Settings
    VPI/VCI:
    0/38
    Type:
    PPPoA
    Modulation:
    G.992.5 Annex
    A
    Latency type:
    Fast
    Noise margin
    (Down/Up):
    10.4 dB / 5.9
    dB
    Line attenuation
    (Down/Up):
    29.3 dB / 13.3
    dB
    Output power
    (Down/Up):
    18.1 dBm / 12.0
    dBm
    FEC Events
    (Down/Up):
    0 / 0
    CRC Events
    (Down/Up):
    207 / 76
    Loss of Framing
    (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    Loss of Signal
    (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    Loss of Power
    (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    HEC Events
    (Down/Up):
    727 / 45
    Error Seconds
    (Local/Remote):
    233 / 89
    FAQ
    <script type="text/javascript">// paintProgressAndMessageOnBar(100,"The test has successfully completed" ); // </script>
    Test1 comprises of two tests
    1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
    Download  Speed
    8135 Kbps
    0 Kbps
    21000 Kbps
    Max Achievable Speed
    Download speedachieved
    during the test was - 8135 Kbps
    For your connection, the acceptable
    range of speeds is 4000-21000
    Kbps.
    Additional Information:
    Your DSL Connection Rate
    :9721 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1155 Kbps(UP-STREAM)
    IP Profile for
    your line is - 8576 Kbps
    2. Upstream
    Test: -provides background information.
    Upload Speed
    897 Kbps
    0 Kbps
    1155 Kbps
    Max Achievable Speed
    >Upload speed
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    Additional
    Information:
    Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 1155
    Kbps
    We were unable to identify any
    performance problem with your service at this time.
    It is possible that any
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    responding slowly.
    If you continue to encounter a problem with a specific
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    Please visit FAQ
    section if you are unable To understand the test results.
    Solved!
    Go to Solution.

    Thanks for your replys, believe it or not my line as been more stable, meaning alot less disconnects,infact very rare since i last had the snr reset, it auto changed to fast when mods manually reset the snr a month ago, i think it sounds like a joint or something, def not my internal wiring, its all brand new as of today and theres no change in sync so, the prob lies else where, i tried to tell bt before that theres some kind of fault between the pole and the exchange last time my speed dropped when i was on adsl max, it dropped to 300k i think, i rang up for a mac code because they wouldnt acknoweldge the fact and gottalked into adsl2+, everything went well untill 3 weeksago(around that time) i was up to 16meg sync, i posted it on here, after opening my big mouth my speed started to drop so i had a manuall snr reset, that solved it for a while, then i had that bad weather and it all screwed up, like i said previous, about 10-20mins before the reset my sync dropped to 1meg and line attenuation shot up to 65db, after the reset i had 12.5meg, 24 hours later i was down to 9meg, person on the other end of the phone at bt said my minimum sync should be around 12meg

  • Questions and answers on DLM, sync speed and real ...

    I was confused about some DML details and posted on a BE forum (https://avatar.bethere.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43542) and got what was to me an incredibly helpful response from Tom (drsox).  I thought it would be of interest to some readers here so copy it below.  Once again, many thanks Tom.
    1) FTTC DLM applies only between the cabinet and the modem? 
    >> Yes, as there isn't any broadband / data signal going anywhere further down the line to the exchange if you are on FTTC! 
    2) What are the different parameters that apply on this hop? I know there is a current sync speed, a current snr, a target snr and an ip profile. Anything else? 
    >> The IP profile isn't really related to DLM, it just "follows" your sync rate. In the past the IP profile would take up to 3 days to "follow upwards", leaving you with a high sync and awful speeds! This has been changed now on 21cn and "RE-ppp"ing (rebooting the router) would force the IP Profile to update instantly. 
    DLM changes the SNR target. So where BE have hard coded / set SNR targets such as 3db, 6db, 9db, 12db etc.. They only change upon user request. BT use their DLM system where line instability or line error counts are collected and analysed, the SNR target and interleaving settings are then modified in increments to try and stabilise the line. 
    This image shows quite well how, over a 6 day period, BTs DLM noticed that my line fault was fixed. I didn't get the full speed back for a week. 
    3) Is the ip profile the same as the BRAS profile? 
    >>Yes 
    4) The DLM keeps statistics of errors etc to dynamically change the ip profile? 
    >> Changes the SNR target and interleaving for the line which will reduce the speed, and therefor the IP profile. 
    5) There is a general theory that the DLM is incapable of telling the difference between an error and a modem power cycle, so that power cycling can cause your profile to lower. Is that correct? 
    >> Yes, if you resync / power cycle your router multiple times in a day it is likely to try and "combat the line errors" and reduce your sync rate by increasing the SNR and / or interleaving on the line. 
    6) Can other connections and disconnections have the same effect? For example, if I reboot the router (where this is separate from the modem)? Or use the router interface to disconnect/reconnect the broadband? 
    >> PPP drops (router reboots while leaving the BT Openreach VDSL modem on and connected) won't affect DLM. The IP profile will match your sync rate upon reconnection of the PPP session. 
    7) If you have a low ip profile, does this mean that the sync is limited to the ip profile? 
    >> Other way around, if you have a low sync rate then the IP profile will match the sync rate. If you get an awful sync rate and the IP profile follows downwards, then you resync higher but the router "keeps the PPP session open" (which is possible if you resync quick enough) then your IP profile will stay low, even though the sync is high. Until you reboot your router or disconnect and reconnect the PPP session. 
    8) Can the sync rate change dynamically without a reconnection? If the ip profile gradually rises, will the cabinet force a resync to make sure the customer is actually getting the benefit of the higher ip profile, or must the user intervene with a modem resync? 
    >> See above - Sync can rise without affecting the IP Profile and the cabinet does not force a RE-PPP. 
    8) As I understand it, if the ip profile gets stupidly low for some reason, it can only be reset by BT wholesale? This will only be done after a visit to your home and a telephone call from the engineer to the BT wholesale central admin? 
    >> Mixed reports plus I don't think people understand the difference between sync speeds, line faults, the delay in DLM increasing sync after a fault.. I expect half the reports on the BT forum are not related to a stuck BRAS / IP profile. It is possible for the ISP or a BT engineer to reset the IP profile and possibly DLM training. 
    9) (8) This applies to all ISPs using BT Wholesale: some may be more willing to force this process to happen on behalf of their customers, but none can cirumvent it? 
    >> GEA providers (I believe) still have DLM but don't have BRAS / IP profiles unless they implement their own. 
    10) Who sets the snr? As I understand it, the customer has no direct control. Is this different for different ISPs? 
    >> Mixed information again, I believe that BT Wholesale give providers DLM override controls and SNR settings but none? (or few) ISPs use this system. 
    11) Real download/upload speeds are physically limited by the sync rate. They are also naturally limited by local limitations (such as wireless connections), server limitations, and congestion at various points along the route? Any more? The congestion along the route will vary bewteen ISPs as they use different routes with different capabilitues. 
    >> It is possible for BTs regional or local cabinet network to become congested. Supposedly the minimum speed you should achieve over the BT part of the network is 15mbps. ISPs such as Plusnet, BT etc.. then layer their own "discriminatory" traffic management on top of that (ie, slow down torrents etc.). 
    12) Real speeds are 'unnaturally' limited by throttling. This will also vary from ISP to ISP. Sky claims to have none, and BT none except for p2p. PlusNet and John Lewis have significant (but well explained)throttling. All the more expensive operators have none. 
    >> What you said  
    13) The ip profile affects the sync rate, and therefore actual speeds. Does the ip profile effect actual speeds in any other way? 
    >> Not quite right. The IP profile directly affects the speeds you can achieve but the sync rate affects the IP profile. The sync rate is determined by the stability and quality of your line and what DLM thinks it can cope with. 
    14) Many people (including AndrueC above) report real speeds from speedtests that are consistent and not close to the ip profile. These can't be explained by congestion (that would make them inconsistent). They can't be explained by server limitations, as they are consistent accross servers and the same servers give better speeds to other people. They can't be explained by local limitations, too many people claim sudden drops where the local conditions have not changed. They should not be able to be explained by throttling, as they as seen for many ISPs who do not throttle (I don't hold with the ISP lying theory here). What other factors are there that can explain these cases? 
    >> AndrueC and some other Sky customers have strange symptoms where speeds are around 20mbps rather than the full sync speed. The only logical explanation is either local cabinet congestion, contention between BT and the provider's network (not enough investment by the provider) or artificial traffic management on the providers side. It is also possible that the router that the customer has attached to their line is unsuitable for the higher speeds. For example an old ethernet router may only be able to cope with 20 or 30mbps! A friend of mine has a TP-Link ethernet router running Tomato on a BT 80mbps service but the TP-Link's CPU limitation causes his service to only perform at around 68mbps; he has a replacement router on order. (Obviously wifi will significantly reduce performance). 
    15) If you get a stupidly low ip profile, how long can you except it to take before it climbs to something more reasonable? (eg in my particular case, my profile is currently around 15Mb, and from BT service line tests should be around 58Mb). And the classic question, is it best to power cycle the modem (1) never, (2) occasionally (how often) or (3) never if at all possible? Mine did jump from 3.5Mb to 15Mb on one power cycle. Was that just coincidence? 
    >> My FTTC line took about 6 to 7 days to go from 40mbps to 80mbps after a line fault. It is possible that your 3.5mbps to 15mbps increase was the "re-ppp" affecting the BRAS profile and that your sync had slowly been increasing over time. 

    what a waste of money sending an engineer to "fix a fault" which does not exist.  Precisely.
    In my original BE post to which Tom so helpfully responded, I began:  It seems to me that DLM is an excellent concept with a highly flawed implementation, both technically and administratively.   I think that sending out an engineer to fix an obviously flawed profile is the main example of an adminastrative flaw.  I understand (I can't remember source, maybe Tom again) that they are sometimes relaxing the requirement for a visit before reset.
    Maybe the DLM system is too keen on stability vs speed.  This will keep complaints down from many people: most users won't notice speed too much as long as it is reasonable, but will be upset if their Skype calls and browsing are being interrupted too often.  
    However, it does lead to complaints from people who notice the drops after an incidence (as in your thread that has drawn lots of interest), or who only get 50 instead of 60.  The main technical flaw is that DLM can so easily be confused by drops from loss of power, too much modem recycling, etc, and then takes so long to recover.

  • How to look at Sync Speeds

    Previously on the home hub 2 and BT Total broadband you could look at your up and down sync speeds under the hub manager. Obviously now the connection comes through the openreach modem and then into the home hub. How can i access the modem page to view the sync speed ?
    IT SUPPORT TECHNICIAN - Comptia A+ Certified, MTA Qualified and MTSC qualified
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    You can't. It's Openreach kit and the firmware is locked.
    The only way to get a rough idea of your sync is from your IP profile which can be found by running a test at www.speedtester.bt.com.
    The IP profile is about 96.7% of your sync rate.
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