Will an ATI 4870 on my 8 core macro (4,1) work on PP/CC?

i know it wont be near as good as the newer cards but what i want to know will i even be able to "open" or "install" PP/CC with this older card?
i plan to get something newer soon but want to see how Adobe has done with the OpenCL stuff vs nVidia CUDA.
thanks!
david

i just downloaded a trial of PP CC. it plays as good as it did in CS6 PP as to performance on my ATI 4870. as soon as i start making several CC adjustments on the 3 way color plug the CPU cranks up to about half of its usage on my 2.93ghz 8 core (16 cores counting hyperthreading). im really wondering how good the AMD Radeon HD 7970 @ $399 or the AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB for $219 would fare against the GTX 680 that is now available for the current macpro?

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I am into Recording and follow the following forum. There is some discussion there.
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yeah, short term test deems keeping both cards in.
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Can I add a second ATI 4870 to my 2009 Mac Pro?

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I read somewhere that the ATI needs additional power from the power supply and the GTX does not? Is this true? If this is the case are there extra power supply connectors for an additional 4870 (hence my first question).
The GTX has dual DVI out connector and this is my preferred solution to get 2 x 30" Cinema Displays.
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1. Can I add a second ATI 4870 to my 2009 Mac Pro? Sorry if posted already, I searched and Googled and could not find it.
No. Each ATI 4870 needs two auxiliary power connectors. There are only two in the Mac Pro.
I read somewhere that the ATI needs additional power from the power supply and the GTX does not? Is this true?
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<http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MjkyNjI0Mg>
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I have a P965 Neo-F Mobo, and am looking at installing either an ATI 4870 or ATI 4850 graphics card. Will either of these card work OK?
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I read that the 4870 needs 2 x 6pin connectors (not sure about the 4850) - does the board have these features?
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I jumped in hastily and bought the Asus branded card: EAH4870
I connected it, and nothing... did not work.
I do not think it is a Mac version of this card, perhaps intended to be used in a windows machine.
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- Basically, can I get this card to work, or do I need to PAY the extra $$$$ just to have a "Mac" version of this.
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I do not have dual boot, and no windows machines to "flash" or rework this card.
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If you aren't a "techie" then you don't have the hardware needed to flash the ROM nor know how. Because this site belongs to Apple we cannot help you with something that is illegal.

ATI 4870 DVI-VGA not working. Help?

Howdy folks,
I was using an ATI 4870 with two DVI ports and one S-Video port on a Mac Pro 3,1 (I think) running osx 10.5 with two monitors
When we retired that computer I harvested the 4870 card to replace a GT 120 on a Mac Pro 4,1 running osx 10.8. It has been feeding two monitors without issue, one DVI and the other DVI-HDMI.
However, I cannot seem to get it to recognize any VGA monitor or projector using any of three different connectors. Nor can I seem to get any signal out of the S-Video port.
My goal is to run a VGA projector with the Mac Pro 4,1, a projector with VGA, S-Video, and RCA inputs.
As I said, I have tried three different DVI to VGA connectors. Two of these are very similar with 29 pins on the DVI connector. These did absolutely nothing. The third has only 17 pins, and while it had no result with projector, when connected to a VGA monitor the computer would recognize that a second monitor was attached, but no signal seemed to be carried to that monitor. The osx settings showed options for two monitors, but no image appeared on that second monitor.
One of the two DVI to VGA connectors I had successfully used on the previous Mac Pro 3,1 computer, but I cannot remember if it was with the 4870 or the graphics card we used before upgrading.
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Best wishes-

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Diagram courtesy of Wikipedia.

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