Windows 7 support dropped for Mac Pro 2013

I have sent feedback to Apple already as I understand from the support page Windows 7 x64 support has been dropped for the new Mac Pro.
Bearing in mind the corporate workstation market has largely shunned Windows 8/8.1 I find the dropping of support inexplicable and plain daft to enable the Mac Pro to take market share from the windows hardware domain.
My clients have purchased two Mac Pro's on launch day on the prerequisite that they can run Windows 7 with the possibility of more orders after the new year once testing is complete. Unless it can be made to work using EFI boot which as I suspect is the reason support and can easily be worked around you lose in my case 2 orders with the possibility if 10/20 more after. No workaround will mean cancelled orders.
Hopefully if enough of us air our disappointment Apple will reconsider because they will lose a sizeable chunk of sales because of this near sighted policy.

If what you say is true, then it would be a question of hardware support capabilities in Win 7, not a near-sighted policy. In any event, these are user forums. You aren't speaking to Apple, so I suggest you speak to Apple. Don't complain here. It's inappropriate and violates the Terms of Use.

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Hi
I'm wondering which apps have been optimised for the Mac Pro ?
The ones I was able to find so far:
Final Cut X
Compressor
Motion
Logic
Aperture
here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/23/updates-to-aperture-final-cut-pro-will -tap-into-horsepower-of-new-mac-pro and here : http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/12/19/final-cut-pro-compressor-motion-mac-pro- 4k-update/
Pixelmator (here: http://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2014/01/23/pixelmator-3-1-marble-fully-optimized- for-new-mac-pro/)
Any other you can think of ?

If what you say is true, then it would be a question of hardware support capabilities in Win 7, not a near-sighted policy. In any event, these are user forums. You aren't speaking to Apple, so I suggest you speak to Apple. Don't complain here. It's inappropriate and violates the Terms of Use.

Supported resolution for Mac pro

hi. I have new Mac pro.
where I can see which resolution is suported?
Is suported 2,560-by-1,440 pixels
Dell UltraSharp U2913WM. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414974,00.asp
tnx

Hi and welcome (back) to Apple Discusions,
taken form here: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP7
"*DVI video output to support digital resolutions up to 1920 by 1200 pixels*; supports 20-inch Apple Cinema Display and 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display; supports coherent digital displays up to 154MHz; supports noncoherent digital displays up to 135MHz"
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Stefan

Where can I find Windows 7 support files for Mac?

While in the process of creating a partition with Boot Camp, I was unable to download the Windows 7 support files. Is there a link to someplace I can get them elsewhere? Will Windows 7 work in Boot Camp without them? Thanks!
Daniell

Oh, okay. I was hoping they were available somewhere online since I'm having such difficulty downloading them through the Boot Camp Assistant. Thanks anyway.
Daniell

Unable to download windows 7 support software for macbook pro

I was able to install Windows 7 Home Premium and also partitioned the HD. After that I have been trying to download Windows support software through Bootcamp into a properly formatted pen drive. The download progresses to about 20% of the bar showing progress and then just freezes. I checked the internet connection but it is working fine. Not sure if the file sizes are huge(the progress bar doesn't show any details about how big the file sizes are). Left the mac book running for more than 3 hours but no progress. Any suggestions? Am I doing something wrong?
The Windows 7 installation doesn't have any drivers so i am unable to even connect to the internet through an ethernet connection.

The Boot Camp assistant created an extra partition, then just stopped. It didn't move forward with installing Windows. Now I have a BOOTCAMP partition and a few options for installing Windows. I have a DVD I burned, and an ISO out on a USB HD formatted for FAT. But I'm not sure how to go about installing Windows now. I did this once before a few years ago but don't remember the steps. I want to install Windows onto the boot camp partition. Would you happen to know how I can proceed?
I tried holding down the Option key upon boot and selecting the Windows DVD but it just hung there on the Apple logo. Only way to boot was to hold Option and select my main HD.

Bootcamp gpu for Mac Pro 1,1

Hi all
Looking for a good Windows only bootcamp gpu for Mac Pro 1,1.
Anyone one have any ideas for a windows gaming gpu that will work well?
Dont need to get latest if the Mac Pro 1,1 slot is limited, but would like to get a better card for Windows games.
Price is not really a problem, more just dont want to spend more if the Mac Pro 1.1 is slot limited.
Thanks very much.

What do you want to use the pc vid card for? Gaming?
If you don't need the best of the best you can get, perhaps just grabbing an apple 4870 might work best.
The $350 might be a little steep, but it might be worth it as you can good graphics in not only windows but mac as well.
You could sell your 1900xt to off-set the price. And then just keep the 7300gt just in case.

Why mac pro 2013 not supporting illustrator GPU rendering

Here, all nvidia cards supporting this:
http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/gpu-performance-preview-improvements.html
now I'm thinking, that buying the new mac pro 2013 maybe wasn't the best idea... Apple put in AMD GPu's, that is fine by me, but come on, give us some more support for them! Normal windows PC (for 800€) with nvidia GPU is faster at rendering in Illustrator, than my workstation mac (3500+€)! Really? O.o
And story doesn't end here. I was reading one article about GPU usage in this new mac pro and then I tested it myself. Only one GPU is used and the other is barely touched! And this goes for Maya, photoshop, illustrator and other adobe programs. I was shocked, that I discovered I have one GPU to warm up my room and only one actually doing all the work.
Ok I understand, that also software developers needs to support stuff and write their software to actually use GPU's, but adobe creative suite is one of examples, where software is actually capable of using GPU via openCL and in some cases even CUDA from nvidia.
And there is one more thing: new mac pro, has 2 identical AMD GPU's inside, which can work in crossfire configuration under windows in bootcamp, but not in OS X. Sometimes I even play some games on my mac and sometimes I'm testing them (I'm artist, but I also like to develop and test some games in my free time) and it's kinda a shame, that I can run games with better performance under windows in bootcamp.
When I bought this computer I thought this is going to rock and sweep up with all my previous machines. Well in practice it is much of unused potential and great room warmer. It's kinda sad, that on my girlfriend's PC I can play games with better frames and details on GF 660GTX than on my mac pro... I know I know, mac's aren't for gaming, but hey, sometimes it is good to get my mind on rest and blow up some enemies!
I'm not saying mac pro isn't great product, which is (very great). But support to use all computer capabilities is very limited and Apple should kick developers in their back side and push them to start developing things to use GPU's more.
I'm also not expecting Apple to jump on their feet and fix problems overnight. No, just start thinking of adding more support and things that would make our computers much more used and not only good decoration on desk. First would be a good steep adding crossfire support to OS X. That might even help at rendering some 3D scenes?
Next step would probably be better cooperation with software developers, like Adobe , Autodesk,... If adobe made good support for GPU rendering in Illustrator, aim that we get that support soon as well. I'm sometimes having a lot of paths and objects and rendering goes pretty slow then.
I'm also thinking about that AMD choice Apple made wasn't so good when you see that Nvidia puts much more effort into supporting more and more stuff, while AMD is sitting idle not even updating their drivers anymore.
Oh and one more thing: Can we please, please, please, please, preeeeeetty please get 10-bit output support on OS X? It's kinda sad, having good mac workstation with 10-bit capable monitor (dell UP2414Q) and no support for it, while other PC workstations all support it... Photoshop is working much better on OS X and here I have much better integration and everything and I really love working in Photoshop running on OS X, but some basic things are missing and I'm really asking myself sometimes: was that good decision? Photoshop was first written for macs and in 2014 there is much better support for adobe software on windows than on OS X. Where went wrong?
Don't take me wrong and think I'm just ranting here without any good reason, but think: buying very expensive computer that is supposed to make creative work easy and painless is actually just on paper. In reality computer potential is pretty much unused and that makes me thinking if I would be much better buying iMac instead of mac pro...
TL;DR: I wish for some more support from Apple for their new expensive mac pro's 2013. They are great piece of equipment, but equivalent PC's running windows are surpassing them in this department, specially when GPU's are involved. Now I would like to point this out to Apple, so I don't know where to write so they will read so I first wrote that here. I hope someone from Apple reads this and give us some feedback on those missing things or maybe I get direction where to write to Apple so I get maybe some response from them(?):
-not enough GPU support for creative software (adobe suite, autodesk,...) - nvidia + windows offering much more for less money?
-no crossfire support on OS X. Any particular reason for that?
-no 10-bit support for 10-bit displays. Why not? Hardware is capable, why software isn't?
-lack of openCL software out there. Apple isn't doing much to get more support or developers just too lazy to put more effort into this? GPGPU isn't the future as some companies are trying to convince us?

Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:
All displays are supported by one GPU -- the display GPU. The second GPU is reserved for un-interrupted GPU computing and has no Display output Hardware.
Anandtech has a discussion of this in his review of the late 2013 Mac Pro.
Under OS X the situation is a bit more complicated. There is no system-wide CrossFire X equivalent that will automatically split up rendering tasks across both GPUs.
By default, one GPU is setup for display duties while the other is used exclusively for GPU compute workloads. GPUs are notoriously bad at context switching, which can severely limit compute performance if the GPU also has to deal with the rendering workloads associated with display in a modern OS. NVIDIA sought to address a similar problem with their Maximus technology, combining Quadro and Tesla cards into a single system for display and compute.
from section 9:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/9
Another problem here: on windows bootcamp crossfire IS working, but not in OS X. As I wrote, sometimes it would be better to get more rendering power than computing power (actually at current state of GPU computing software, computing GPU isn't working very much if at all). It would be nice to have an option to switch on and off crossfire so we could use more rendering power when needed.
Also not all people are doing video rendering on their computers. What about 3D modelling and 2D work in photosohp? And maybe people like me are occasionally wish to play some games on their mac?
You linked me GPU usage from one program (probably adobe after effects or premiere pro or apple final cut X?), that is probably one of the only pieces of software that actually uses both GPU's under OS X. I made same experiment with software I use and I even tested some software I don't use but it is advertised it is "optimized" for mac pro like pixelmator.
And guess what? Second GPU is 99% time idle. Even when some stuff is using openCL in Photoshop, stuff is still computed on rendering GPU and not on computing one, which makes computing GPU just a good room warmer as I wrote before. Wouldn't be better to at least use second GPU for something than heating air?

Bootcamp is different on two identical Mac Pro 2013 towers, Windows 7 vs 8

OK, so we bought two identical Mac Pro 2013 towers, took them out of the box and updated the system, and checked to see if could use Bootcamp. Hopefully to install Windows 7, but, failing that, Windows 8. We got two different results:
One of the machines says only Windows 8 can be installed, but the other has a dialog about Windows 7.
The only difference here is that I messed around with the partitions on the second one. I may have jumped the gun and called one partition "BOOTCAMP" before being advised not to do so and attempting to get rid of that partition. My partition attempts have led to that system dialog...
What's the reason these two are different? IS it possible to install Windows 7?

According to Boot Camp: System requirements for Microsoft Windows operating systems - Apple Support
Mac model
Windows 8
64-bit
Windows 7
64-bit
Windows 7
32-bit
Windows Vista
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Windows Vista
32-bit
Windows XP
32-bit
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014)
BCA
BCA
iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2014)
BCA
BCA
iMac (27-inch, Late 2013)
5
5
iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2013)
5
5
W7 64-bit is supported, but W7 32-bit is not. Are you certain your W7 media is correct and complete? If the media has both 32-bit and 64-bit on it, it will be rejected.

Hey. I want to install windows 8 32bit on my mac pro (mid 2012). I upgraded the windows 7 I already had, but now I dont have drivers at all... I searched drivers for the windows 8 32 bit but couldn't find any... Any solutions guys?

Hey everyone,
I want to install windows 8 32bit on my mac pro (mid 2012). I upgraded the windows 7 I already had, but now I dont have drivers at all...
I searched drivers for the windows 8 32 bit but couldn't find any...
Any solutions guys?
Thanks a lot.
Sincerely,
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There's been an update for OSX ML which addresses the issue for installing Windows 8 on bootcamp.
It's NOT recommended that you Upgrade.. However, the way to get the drivers is:
You'll need an external USB drive formatted as FAT for this.
1) In OSX, start the Bootcamp Assistant
2) Press Next
3) UNTICK 'Remove WIndows 7 or Later Version'
4) TICK Download the Latest Windows Support Software from Apple
5) Insert USB drive
6) Press CONTINUE
The drivers should download, and copy a WIndowsSupport folder onto the USB drive.
I did notice that Windows 8 still requires beta drivers for some aspects such as VGA (the Radio HD Card), which you can get on the AMD website.
Futhermore, why are you using Windows 8 "32" bit when you blatently have a powerful 64bit?
Anyway, hope this post helps ;-)

Do Mac Pro 2013 support six TV using HDMI/DVI?

Hi everyone,
I found in Mac Pro support six displays using thunderbolt, but can I using HDMI or DVI?
I have six TVs, all of them have hdmi,dvi, and vga ports, I want to using one Mac Pro (2013) to display my screen in six TV as one screen, such as this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmlsePKH6AY
Because Mac Pro using AMD display card, can I using Eyefinity technology?
Thanks a lot.

Yes. However, only two adopters can be passive. The rest have to be active.
All mini displayport to VGA adapters are active.
Mini displayport to DVI adopter can either be active or passive. The active ones say actie and cost more than passive ones.
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I have no idea what " Eyefinity technology?" is

Can I use 27' iMac(Later 2009) as a display for Mac Pro(future 2013)?

Can I use 27' iMac(Later 2009) as a display for Mac Pro(future 2013)?

See > http://support.apple.com/kb/PH11302
To be able to use the iMac as an external display, the Mac Pro should come with a Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt port, so think that it will include Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt, although we don't know anything.
To connect the iMac to the Mac Pro, as your iMac has got a Mini DisplayPort, you have to use a Mini DisplayPort to Mini DisplayPort cable (Thunderbolt is compatible with Mini DisplayPort cables, but Mini DisplayPort isn't compatible with Thunderbolt cables). Then, just follow the steps of the page above to use the iMac as an external display

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I have been a user of IMAC & Macbook but not mac PRO.
I wish to upgrade to MAC PRO ( 2013 ). As i want to make the transition less costly i want to use my current IMAC 27in ( LATE 2009 ) as the one and only display.
First question . Is the above possible with MAC PRO ?
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Hi all,
I couldn't find a reliable answer to this in my searching here or on google, hence I'm posting it here.
I'm going to buy and upgrade to the new mac pro when it's announced this month (Dec 2013). My primary use will be photo processing in photoshop.
Configuring it with 64gb RAM is the no-brainer part. And probably a 512gb or 1TB flash drive too.
The bit I'm unsure about is whether to opt for the 6 core processor option over the quad core? For photo editing (adding layers, filters, brushing in, multiple files open at times, running batch edits etc), does anyone have an opinion on whether the performance increase (if there is in fact any increase for photo work?) of the 6 core 3.5ghz would justify paying the extra AU$1300 difference over the quad core 3.7ghz option?
And from my earlier research paying the huge prices for 8 or 12 cores would simply be a waste for photo processing.
Thanks for the advice...

Mozzzaaa
I have the exact same requirements, here are my findings based on some observations from Activity Monitor and research based on how the hardware works.
Photoshop does not utilize multiple cores well for many standard editing ativities - therefore one core will be busy while the rest remain idle, however I have noticed over time that upgrades to Photoshop seem to take more advantage of multiple cores as Adobe updates the code. For example, appling filters utilize all of the cores while the filters are computing changes (smart sharpen for example). Try running CPU monitoring in Activity Monitor (double click the CPU graph to display all cores).
Lightroom utilizes all of the cores for Import, export and other activities that process multiple files. Being more modern code, it beter utilizes muti cores.
Keep in mind that each core handles two code threads, therefore a four core system is capable of processing 8 "streams" of code, the 6 core can manage 12 threads, etc.
Here is a screen shot of Mac Book Pro running PS CC Smart Sharpen:
All the new Mac Pro run at 3.9Hz Turbo Boost - they are all the same in that respect. This means that when the processers are not hot, at least one core will run at 3.9Hz - therefore on a relativly idle machine (just editing in PS for example) you would likley be running at 3.9Hz on all the Mac Pro 2013.
There are also the GPUs to consider. Apple as usual has not made enough information available to easly determine the cost benefits of the more powerful GPUs and I don't know if PS would utiliize the AMD GPUs well now, or perhaps better utilize them for the future. Perhaps someone could comment on that. Here is an interesting article: http://architosh.com/2013/10/the-mac-pro-so-whats-a-d300-d500-and-d700-anyway-we -have-answers/
Clearly the D500 that is standard with the 6 core seems a major bump over the 4 core D300 (therefore the costs of the 6 core reflect that). I don't know how much the D700 would cost - it would be helpful if this were published so I could consider my order.
There are two GPU in the new Mac Pros - but the purpose of the second one is not toally clear (thanks again to Apples's communication). It likley will be utilized for all sorts of things that don't really exist now and FCP X is scheduled for a new release better utilize the GPU for video (as nwaphoto mentioned video processing will be a major use of this equipment).
I was interested in your comment regarding 64 Meg ram. Yes that would be a hudge boost to PS performance, but would it be better to purchase from Apple or wait for OWC who offer RAM at major discounts over Apple. Once again, no info yet that I am aware of.
I believe the flash drive is upgradable but rumor has it that it uses a proprietary connecter. Makes me want to go with the largest size but once again OWC might be the way to go for an upgrade in a year or two.
In the past, the 6 core 2012 Mac Pro's were somewhat of a sweat spot in terms of horsepower vs cost. I will be considering that in my decession to upgrade. So I am considering a 6 core, will check out the Ram and Flash diIsk based on price - which is the infor I don't have. If you have anything please post
Thanks

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How certain are you the superdrive ONLY is at fault?
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Can you order same? yes.

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