Windows boot manager boots almost fully into windows 8 before letting me select windows 7, at which point it reboots my computer
Hi,
I haven't used my slow HDD with windows 7 on it in a while, but today my SDD with windows 8 on it died. I have kept my old OS in a dual boot setup exactly for this rare possibility. I in fact successfully revived my SSD from windows 7.
During the restore procedure I had to boot into both OSes (7 and 8) several times before I managed to get 8 working. I tried a lot of things before one of them struck. (Is that how the phrase goes?
Me Hungary, no good speak English some times...) I am surprised to have found the following unexpected behavior of the new windows 8 branded boot loader:
The new windows boot manager boots almost fully into windows 8 before letting me select an OS.
If I select windows 7, it reboots my computer and loads windows 7, wasting a lot of time... on the windows 8 portion of the boot process, which is simply thrown away if I happen need windows 7 and not 8.
"This is highly inefficient!" — I almost exclaimed aloud... A boot manager should load just enough of itself so that a simple OS selection menu can be presented to the user with minimal keyboard interaction. Only when a selection is made should
it load an OS. I have no use for the new boot manager's mouse control support, and having it appear on the second screen in my dual screen setup is just plain scary. Use the main laptop monitor where the BIOS messages were displaying, and keep the secondary
off until the OS is done booting! By the time my secondary screen turns on, the boot selection menu disappears anyway.
Yes, I only noticed this problem now because I haven't booted into windows 7 for a long time. (300 MB worth of Windows updates were waiting for me indeed.) My boot selection menu timeout is set to 3 seconds instead of 30 so I don't have to pick windows 8
every time.
I am going to wait at least a week for the forum's input before I switch on my own to a faster, minimalist boot manager. I don't know what to use, I'm familiar with:
some minimalist bootstrap loaders
coreboot/linuxbios (recently learned of it)
bootcamp (not really)
acronis OS selector (discontinued before windows 8 came out, probably doesn't support it)
syslinux/isolinux (Linux only, I think)
old Windows bootmgr
more recent Windows ntldr
then this new "inefficient for dual booting" Windows 8 boot manager
and finally grub
Grub feels like the best option as it keeps the windows boot manager intact and supports mac, windows, and linux. All 3 of which will at one point — or has already — come up as a subject or prerequisite in my university.
I don't know how or why I was able to access windows 8's boot loader while my SSD was dead. Was it installed on the HDD, overwriting the windows 7 boot loader? That too is inefficient. I want to completely boot from my SSD. Don't spin up my HDD while I'm
booting my laptop on the go! The shaking of the vehicle I'm in could seriously damage the disk if I run into a pothole (common in my country) with just the right timing, data could be damaged. The entire reason windows 8 is on an SSD is so that it can boot
without accessing my HDD with all its moving parts. My goal with buying an SSD was for the HDD to remain safely offline while I'm in a shaky environment with potholes! Also, what if I want to disconnect the old HDD in the future... Or what if it dies? Will
the windows 8 boot loader die with windows 7? I want the two kept separately and completely independent from each other for exactly this reason.
In summary:
How can I stop windows 8 from almost fully booting before offering the dual boot OS selection menu? Do I need a better Boot loader?
Why was the boot loader that came with windows 8 still working OK while the SSD with windows 8 on it wasn't accessible? Did it sneak its way onto the old HDD? I want a 100% SSD-based boot process. What is the boot loader doing on a different drive? Its
place is on the SSD, with the operating system it belongs to. Not on the HDD of a different OS. Can I move it?
Sincerely,
Daniel "3ICE" Berezvai
p.s.: For windows 7 I only have a repair disk and hidden RECOVERY partition which I kept (came with the laptop, would rather not use it.) The Windows 8 pro DVD (purchased last year) is fine, but I had it moved to a bootable pendrive so I could remove my
optical drive and replace it with an SSD on which windows 8 is installed now. (I also have a vista ultimate DVD, as they were giving them away for free on a Microsoft conference. Funny story.)
p.p.s.: I am subscribed (☑ Alert me) to this topic and will respond to all questions and try all recommended actions right away.
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Hi,
Thank you for your post.
From your description, I see the issue you are facing is there is no menu to choose OS when booting dual boot(Windows 7 & Windows 8). Please let me know if I have misunderstood anything.
It seems that the Windows 7 entry is missing, currently, we can use a tool –
EasyBCD to get it back. After downloading it, choose the Add/Edit panel item, select the OS you're missing and let the program detect it. Then simply click the Add button to add the missing OS entry.
At the meantime, here is a related link which demonstrates how to keep Windows 7 as the default OS in dual boot, you may use it for a reference.
How to Dual-Boot Windows 8 While Keeping Windows 7 As Your Default OS
http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-dual-boot-windows-8-while-keeping-windows-7-as-your-default-os
[Please Note: Since the website is not hosted by Microsoft, the link may change without notice. Microsoft does not guarantee the accuracy
of this information.]
Regarding your second questions in your first post, you can refer to the following link to know more about dual boot.
Dual
Booting Explained: How You Can Have Multiple Operating Systems on Your Computer
http://www.howtogeek.com/187789/dual-booting-explained-how-you-can-have-multiple-operating-systems-on-your-computer/
[Please Note: Since the website is not hosted by Microsoft, the link may change without notice. Microsoft does not guarantee the accuracy
of this information.]
Hopefully the information is helpful. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for your time.
Best Regards,
Sophia Sun
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<![LOG[Set command line: "X:\sms\bin\x64\TsProgressUI.exe" /Unregister]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.738-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSManager" context="" type="0" thread="960" file="commandline.cpp:731">
<![LOG[Executing command line: "X:\sms\bin\x64\TsProgressUI.exe" /Unregister]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.738-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSManager" context="" type="1" thread="960" file="commandline.cpp:827">
<![LOG[==========[ TsProgressUI started in process 8012 ]==========]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.754-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TsProgressUI" context="" type="1" thread="8040" file="winmain.cpp:330">
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<![LOG[End program: ]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.832-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSManager" context="" type="1" thread="960" file="tsmanager.cpp:805">
<![LOG[Finalize logging request ignored from process 856]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.832-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSManager" context="" type="1" thread="960" file="tslogging.cpp:1737">
<![LOG[Process completed with exit code 0]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.863-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSPxe" context="" type="1" thread="592" file="commandline.cpp:1123">
<![LOG[Task Sequence Manager returned code 0x00000000]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.863-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSPxe" context="" type="1" thread="592" file="tsmediawizardcontrol.cpp:2180">
<![LOG[Exiting with return code 0x00000000]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.863-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSPxe" context="" type="1" thread="592" file="tsmbootstrap.cpp:1238">
<![LOG[Execution complete.]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="1" thread="760" file="bootshell.cpp:693">
<![LOG[hMap != 0, HRESULT=80070002 (e:\qfe\nts\sms\framework\tscore\environmentscope.cpp,493)]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="0" thread="760" file="environmentscope.cpp:493">
<![LOG[m_pGlobalScope->open(), HRESULT=80070002 (e:\qfe\nts\sms\framework\tscore\environmentlib.cpp,335)]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="0" thread="760" file="environmentlib.cpp:335">
<![LOG[this->open(), HRESULT=80070002 (e:\qfe\nts\sms\framework\tscore\environmentlib.cpp,553)]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="0" thread="760" file="environmentlib.cpp:553">
<![LOG[::RegQueryValueExW(hSubKey, szReg, NULL, NULL, NULL, &dwSize), HRESULT=80070002 (e:\qfe\nts\sms\framework\tscore\utils.cpp,811)]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="0" thread="760" file="utils.cpp:811">
<![LOG[RegQueryValueExW is unsuccessful for Software\Microsoft\SMS\Task Sequence, SMSTSEndProgram]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="2" thread="760" file="utils.cpp:811">
<![LOG[GetTsRegValue() is unsuccessful. 0x80070002.]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="2" thread="760" file="utils.cpp:842">
<![LOG[End program: ]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="1" thread="760" file="bootshell.cpp:725">
<![LOG[Finalizing logging from process 752]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="1" thread="760" file="tslogging.cpp:1741">
<![LOG[Finalizing logs to root of first available drive]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="1" thread="760" file="tslogging.cpp:1583">
<![LOG[Successfully finalized logs to D:\SMSTSLog]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="1" thread="760" file="tslogging.cpp:1640">
<![LOG[Cleaning up task sequencing logging configuration.]LOG]!><time="18:29:37.879-420" date="12-26-2014" component="TSBootShell" context="" type="0" thread="760" file="tslogging.cpp:584">
MCSE,MCNE,SCO,Sair Linux/GNU, Open source-enthusiast.I have already set it to FALSE. The solution to this will be some different OSD Task Sequence variables or a statement that it can't be made to work.
I believe that setting defines what volume will be the BOOT / OS Drive Letter. Some people were getting D:\WINDOWS as their boot volume drive letter. Setting to true means whatever was the System Drive letter (usually C) in the image will remain as such
after it was was applied, setting it to false will make the system have the same drive letter arrangement as what Windows PE detects. In my case I set it to false so that no matter what the new VHD file setup as drive C will be the system drive. I'll set it
to true on the next deployment but I expect there to be no difference, because in both PE and the WIM the installation volume is the C:.
We are talking about the DRIVE LETTERS Windows PE SCCM OSD is using for it's temporary files - and how we can manipulate these locations using OSD Task Sequence Variables, so the Apply OS doesn't try and clean up files that are not there
- and fail with an error if you have added a VHD Native Boot volume.
This OSDPreserveDriveLetter setting isn't having any effect on the problem here.
I believe that Format step is setting some task variables used by the OSD Deployment process - telling it where to store it's temporary files. However between the Format Disks and Apply operating system steps the OSD Task Sequence isn't picking up on the
fact what was the C:\ after Format HDD step is now the D:\ .
A developer who has an understanding of how the OSD boot process executes in order would be able to see what's going on here.
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HP Pavilion dv7-1285dx - No F11, Won't Boot Windows -- Recovery Manager PATH?
I am repairing an HP Pavilion dv7-1285dx for a friend. I have restored countless other computers but this one has driven me up the wall after 7 hours of trial and error and web searches.
Here's the deal:
--The computer came with Windows Vista
--The owner upgraded it to Windows 7 this past fall
--The comptuer came in contact with malware and will not boot
--When booting, the computer will slowly attempt to load Windows, will make it to the "welcome" screen, then restart itself, creating an infinite loop
--I do have a recovery DVD for the computer; the owner burned it apparently in late 2010
--I am proficient in MS-DOS and am comfortable using the command prompt
--The command prompt is the only way I can operate this computer at the moment. I do not have access to Windows of any sort, let alone the web
--I do have two other computers here that are mine, both are Macs and one dual-boots into Windows; I do have a few flash drives and can burn optical media if necessary
The F11 key does not work on this computer to bring up the recovery manager. I know why, too--the machine was upgraded to Windows 7, which wiped out the connection between the key and the program.
My hope is that I can find the path of the recovery manager somewhere. There was a windows.old directory on the drive; I was able to change it to Windows (the existing Windows was renamed windows.scrap).
This enabled me to at least get to an OS selection screen. There were three options: 7, 7 (recovery), and Vista (recovery). None of them are able to get me into Windows. The Vista option states it is corrupt while both 7s will try to unsuccessfully repair themselves.
I can, however, access the command prompt through the Windows recovery program (NOT the HP recovery program, which I need to restore anything from either the partition on the D: drive or the DVD).
I did notice all of the files on the DVD were in .zip format once I got deep enough in a directory. I'm debating about extracting them on one of my other comptuers to see if I can just get them over on another device, but my only external hard drive is Mac formatted so I'll have to use a USB stick.
There have been queries about this out there referring to making the D: partition active. However, all of these solutions require Windows, which I cannot use. The same is true of downloads.
My biggest question--where could the recovery program be buried? I would be willing to bring files over on another device IF AND ONLY IF THEY DO NOT REQUIRE WINDOWS.
The SMINST directory within Program Files (x86) is not present.
Basically, I need a DOS-compatible, non-Windows, way to restore this computer.
I have no other Windows installation discs for the machine currently with me. Also, the COA sticker on the bottom of the computer is extremely worn and I can only read a few digits of it, so I can't use that for a restore I guess.
On a final note--the fan in this comptuer is extremely annoying; any way to turn it off besides just the switch in the BIOS that toggles whether it runs all the time?You don't need to be in Windows to mark the D:\Recovery partition Active. Just boot with a utility cd with the disk management capability. If you don't have one_Scroll down on the page and get>> Bootable CD If you don't have a burning app that can burn an ISO to cd get>> ImgBurn to burn the iso image to cd-a guide on using ImgBurn to write an ISO to a disc is> Here. Once created, boot from it.
Btw-have you tried booting from his Vista Recovery DVD? With the first disc in the CD/DVD drive power on the laptop and immediately tap Esc to bring up the menu. Then tap F9 Boot options. Use the arrow key to move down & highlight the Optical drive then tap Enter key. (No key is needed with Recovery DVDs)
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Windows 8.1 not booting : "Boot manager failed to find OS loader"
Hello all,
I know this question came up before, but I have being trying to fix this for many days now, without luck and I feel I need some new ideas...
The short story:
My Windows 8.1 is not booting, and gets trapped in cycle of Boot Manager until I tell the UEFI to boot from disk or USB
I can boot up from external CD or USB Windows RE, from which I can get to prompt line
In the log file in C:\Windows\System 32\LogFiles\Srt\SrtTrail.txt I read:
Boot manager failed to find OS loader
Repair Action File Repair à Failed (err code 0x4001)
Repair Action Boot Config Data Store Repair à Failed (err code 0x2)
4. My disk is GPT partitioned, with UEFI Bios
5. I tried the typical Bootrec commands: FixMbr, FixBoot, ScanOs, RebuildBCD but I always get the error:
Identified Windows install:0
6. I tried Bcdedit but I get:
the boot configuration data (BCD) store could not be opened
7. I tried to create a new BCD store in the FAT32 partition (temporarily named "v:\") with
bcdboot c:\Windows /l en-gb /s v: /f ALL
but I get:
Failure when attempted to copy boot files
8. Finally, I noticed that in
C:\Windows\System32\
I DO NOT have the file winload.efi
while in: ESP\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\
I DO have the file Bootmgfw.efi
One question I have is: Is it possible to copy a "healthy" winload.efi from somewhere in my PC into C:\Windows\System32\ ?
Where (which path) could I find it?
Any other ideas? Please help !!!!
Many thanks!! This is literarily driving me crazy because I really don't want to reinstall windows....Hello Kermit_70,
What is your current situation?
Please try the suggestion as aw00t mentioned.
Additionally, please try to use Automatic Repair to fix problems that keep Windows from loading.
For more information, please take a look at the following article.
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2269-system-recovery-options-boot-windows-8-a.html
Please note: Since the website is not hosted by Microsoft, the link may change without notice. Microsoft does not guarantee the accuracy of this information.
Best regards,
Fangzhou CHEN
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Hello all Support Team,
i Have some problem want to know reason and fix it, please help me.
i'm used the HP ProBook 440 G1. My problem is :
1.When i install OS win7 by disc from Microsoft, after first install complete it's reboot and black screen appear with one option to chose is " Windows 7 install [EMS Enable]". I provisional accept the solution from my friend but i still want to know what reason of this issue.
If choose that without remove disc, the laptop will restart and progress installed windows start again from beginning.
If choose that with remove disc, the laptop start to windows normal and everything maybe is fine ( this is my friend's solution).
2.When I reboot this laptop, the screen "Windows boot manager" appear, even only one option to chose is Window 7, then I check in "Boots" by open msconfig, I see only one OS and it's already default OS. But every time I restart the laptop the screen "Windows Boot Manager" always appear, how can i remove this screen and take my laptop enter directly to window ?
That's all my ploblem, please help me fix it.
Thanks and Best Regards,
Katori.Remove the disk unless you want to install Windows.
"When I reboot this laptop, the screen "Windows boot manager" appear, even only one option to chose is Window 7, then I check in "Boots" by open msconfig, I see only one OS and it's already default OS. But every time I restart the laptop the screen "Windows Boot Manager" always appear, how can i remove this screen and take my laptop enter directly to window ?"
If you remove the password you are using, then the notebook will boot right into the operating system. That is not a good practice as there is no security at all.
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Boot Manager error message on Windows 7 Toshiba Laptop
Well, I will start with what happened to it, though I don't really know. I was on the internet and it started freezing up horribly, then I didn't know what to do so I walked into the room of the house that doesn't get wireless, and gradually it unfroze. Then I went back to the other room got on again, then it just froze again, only this time walking into the next room didn't work, so I pressed the power button and shut it down. Then when I turned it back on I chose "Start Windows Normally" and I entered my password at the login screen, then it was on the screen that says "Welcome" and has the blue loading bar next to it, but I waited for at least 10 minutes and it still hadn't loaded. So, I try safe mode and all I get is a black screen with a mouse cursor, in all safe modes. Well, I decide to go to setup by pressing F2 at the Toshiba screen when you first turn it on. So, I did that and I restored the default settings, then exiting saving the settings, and then I turned it on, expecting it to work or at least have the Welcome thing. It went through the Toshiba screen, then it had a black screen for while , then I got an error message:
WINDOWS BOOT MANAGER
Windows has encountered a problem communicating with a device connected to your computer.
This error can be caused by unplugging a removable storage device such as an external USB drive while the device is in use, or by faulty hardware such as a hard drive or CD-ROM drive that is failing. Make sure any removable storage is properly connected and then restart your computer.
If you continue to recieve this error message, contact the hardware manufacturer.
File: \Boot\BCD
Status: 0xc00000e9
Info: An unexpected I/O error has occurred.
So then what I did was I plugged in the charger, the mouse ( like on a desktop computer, only I stick this in my laptops usb thing) , my ipod, I put in the last cd I had in the disk drive, and I connected my computer to the modem from the other computer that I sometimes get on. It didn't do anything, it still gave me that message.
I would appreciate some help. I just got this computer in December 2009 for Christmas, and I have taken good care of it as far as I can tell. I really can't afford to replace anything right now, but if I have to I will find a way. What makes it worse is that I just got a new video game sent from my grandmother for my birthday....
Thank you for your help/thoughts/crapit looks like a corrupted windows 7 OS or hdd issue , but you might try this one
Remove all usb devices and make sure that only ac adapter is plugged in your computer.
Turn on your computer and start tapping on F8. You should see windows advanced option when you do this.
Select on Safe Mode then Enter. If you can boot to safe mode you can try doing a system restore.
OR
On windows advance option. Select Repair my computer
Just follow the prompt and select system restore.
OR
On windows advance option. Select Repair my computer
Just follow the prompt and Windows Startup Repair
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i have macbook pro 13.3 inch. I am installing window 7 in boot camp manager after copying file of window upto 67% it doesn't response and i had forcely shotdown my macbook. Now my macbook doesn't open and stop in black screen with cursor blinking. Now how could i open my macbook pro.
At startup hold down the Option/Alt key and from the screen that comes up select your OS X partition to start the computer from. Then use the Boot Camp Assistant app to Remove Windows and the partition you reated for it and it will Automatically place the space you allocated for the Windows install back into the OS X partition.
NOTE:
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Corrupt Boot Manager / Missing Windows 8 Pro
Please assist with the following as I have read too many forums and attempted to resolve without success.
Problem: unable to boot into Windows 8.0 due to corrupt boot manager or missing boot manager.
Observed: Harddisk is recognized within bios. The disk cable is firmly connected. I hear the disk spinning. Bootrec commands have completed successfully.
Attempted to resolve by:
1. Bootrec commands (but will still will not boot).
2. Factory disk repair command
3. Ran chkdsk commands (there was some clusters that need to be reorganized).
My primary concern is that I need to access my data on the drive. Is there a file that I can download and install that will act as my new boot manager? Or how can I access the drive? Pulling it of the computer and installing in an HD dock
seemingly will not work because I need the bootmanger fixed?
Please advise. Many thanks,Hi,
Firstly, I need to confirm your system edition, as you said unable to boot into Windows 8.0 but your provide this problem at Windows 7 forum.
About bootrec command to fix the boot manager problem, I would like to suggest you refer to the KB again and try its process for test.
Use Bootrec.exe in the Windows RE to troubleshoot startup issues:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392
If no use, please try to boot system into repair mode and using Startup Repair to fix system startup problem.
Roger Lu
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Windows 7 start up boot manager problem
I am using inbuilt Windows 7 ( 64 bit , Home Basic ) on my Sony VAIO laptop . For last few days , i am having a very annoying problem during the start up .
Every time i start my laptop , very soon after the VAIO logo appears , the boot manger prompt appears having "Windows 7" option selected and within fraction of a second it disappears and keep coming till i keep on pressing the ENTER button to start
the OS . I am only using the Windows 7 OS on the system . To get rid rid of it i tried few options suggested on websites - i changed the BIOS settings , in 'msconfig' tried some alternative options in the boot tab and finally i also formatted my
laptop but could not get rid of the issue . Please help me out with this issue .
Thanks,
Shantanu
Hello,
my problem is similar but all sollutions offered are not working for me.
The problem: the bootmanager appears showing available OS and gives the chance to select. I can chose and the spezified OS starts. I also can make the selected OS starting with no timeout (so, no chance to select anything). But everything I tryed to make the
timeout counting back form soemting inbetween 3 and 999 seconds to cero failed. There is just no timeout.
I tryed to configure timeout via (a) *control panel* > *system & security* > *system* > *advanced system settings* > *advanced* next to *startup & recovery*, then (b) I tryed *msconfig* > *start*, the (c) I tryed to use EasyBCD - but
all, nothing helps me to bring the timeout to work.
What I see when I run bcdedit.exe, the timeout is set propperly (see below) - but sill, it is not working while booting - I have to select the OS manually.
Anybody having an idea, what to do to bring the timeout up and working?
Thx for your help!
Jappie
output of bcdedit.exe:
Windows-Start-Manager
Bezeichner {bootmgr}
device partition=C:
description Windows Boot Manager
locale de-DE
inherit {globalsettings}
default {current}
resumeobject {9266f3c4-cd82-11e3-bbec-c83fe4796fc1}
displayorder {current}
{9266f3c8-cd82-11e3-bbec-c83fe4796fc1}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 3
displaybootmenu Yes
Windows-Startladeprogramm
Bezeichner {current}
device partition=C:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows 7
locale de-DE
inherit {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence {9266f3c6-cd82-11e3-bbec-c83fe4796fc1}
recoveryenabled Yes
osdevice partition=C:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {9266f3c4-cd82-11e3-bbec-c83fe4796fc1}
nx OptIn
Echtmodus-Startabschnitt
Bezeichner {9266f3c8-cd82-11e3-bbec-c83fe4796fc1}
device partition=C:
path \NST\AutoNeoGrub0.mbr
description Ubuntu Linux
EDIT:
I found a solution by myself:
(1) via boot-repair I re-installed grub
(2) via Windows 7 install-disc I re-installed the Windows bootloader (went into sysrepair tools -> via console with "bootrec /fixmbr" and then "bootrec /fixboot")
(3) than, back in Windows 7, I used EasyBCD 2.2 community edition, I deleted the old entry for Linux and added a new one pointing to the right place for grub
(4) finaly, I went into Windows 7 systemsettings to set timeout to 3 second (what was impossible to be done by EasyBCD for whatever reason)
Now it works fine - both OS can be started and the timeout is working again.
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