Wired throughput on dual band Airport Extremes

I wonder if anyone has put the dual band devices through their paces with the 5Ghz network and wide channels plus the 2.4 Ghz network at the same time. Since it has two radios, I'd expect it to be able to really route a lot of traffic, perhaps 300-350 Mb/sec through its gigabit WAN port, similar to the combined capacity of an older AE on 5 Ghz and an 802.11g Airport network. Is this wrong?
I have a three-room area of the school where there are sometimes more than 90 laptops are in use, half MacBooks, half iBooks. I have a 'square' original model AEn in each of the end rooms and an older dome-shaped AE in the middle room. All three non-overlapping channels are utilized, and all are set to 802.11g only. This has worked to balance traffic reasonably well, but it really gets slow sometimes. The AEn's take 40-45 clients each, and the older AE grabs a few.
I am thinking about replacing the two end room AEn's with new dual-band ones, use the same SSID for both frequencies, and set the 2.4 Ghz to be 802.11g. I understand this setup will cause my MacBooks to tend to the 5 Ghz, the iBooks only the 2.4 Ghz. If so, is the setting "802.11a/n - 802.11g only" the correct wireless setting? I am not sure why "802.11n - 802.11g only" is not an option, but we do not have any 802.11a devices that I know of, so that should not slow the network down.
Anyone with experience with this? I searched the forum pretty well, I thought, but maybe I missed something. Thanks.

Thanks Bob - I've thought about this. The guest area is on a different power phase so the ethernet over power option doesn't work. I'm looking at extending the WAN port using a bridge and set the second unit up to create a new network. I'll get the bridge to join the guest network. Double NAT won't be too much of an issue considering it's just to access the Internet.
The issue is related to the construction of my house - I have a metal roof and all of the walls have sisalation (aluminium backed insulation). If I were to connect an external antenna it'd probably fix the problem.
I must say that I'm a bit disappointed with Apple on this.
1. No easy access to antennas - an external antenna would most likely fix the problem.
2. Restricting the functionality of the guest network (impossible to extend properly, even with a wired connection!)
3. No filtering capability to control IP traffic
4. No Web interface to configure the unit.
- Mark E

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