Wireless clients load balancing on the APs on WLC 4404

Hi Experts,
I'm just wondering if the WLC 4404 with firmware 4.2.207.0 can load balance the wireless clients on different WAPs. Let's say that an AP is already handling 15 Wireless devices. When the 16th is trying to join, the controller somehow puts it on another nearby AP, even the signal from this AP is weaker. I heard the similar feature on other Wireless solution vendors. I'm just wondering if Cisco has the similar feature or not.
Thanks!

Yes it is known as aggressive load balancing sending a code 17 making the wireless client to loook at another nearby AP.
here it is the documentation:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6366/products_tech_note09186a00809c2fc3.shtml

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[svn:bz-trunk] 13477: Bug: BLZ-455 - Document client-load-balancing property in the sample config

Revision: 13477
Revision: 13477
Author:   [email protected]
Date:     2010-01-13 05:17:10 -0800 (Wed, 13 Jan 2010)
Log Message:
Bug: BLZ-455 - Document client-load-balancing property in the sample config
QA: No
Doc: No
Ticket Links:
    http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/BLZ-455
Modified Paths:
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