Wireless Mobility Groups - Concerns...

Hi,
I recently set up two wireless controllers (2000 series) with a total of 7 access points. The first controller was already running with a total of 5 ap's. I fired up the second controller, and got everything configured and added one access point to it. Everything was running fine yesterday, I had a few clients on the new controller and the rest on the old one. When I got in this morning and checked out the new controller, I saw that all of the access points had moved over to the new controller, and by extension all of the clients. The old controller now has nothing on it as far as ap's or clients. Is this supposed to happen? I didn't know mobility groups shifted over ap's as well? My only concern is that I have one more ap to set up which will make seven and the 2000 only supports 6 ap's. When I fire it up, will one of the ap's move back to it's original controller? Any input is appreciated. Thank you.

Hi Tate,
Have a look at this info which may help;
AP Fail-over Between Different Mobility Groups
From this good Troubleshooting doc;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_tech_note09186a00806c9e51.shtml#APfail
Hope this helps!
Rob

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Hey,
Q: I want to know if i can setup a Mobility Domain Group for have a common Wireless Environment where my client can have different DHCP Ip, bu the same SSID on Both Site and permit the Roaming ?
A: Indeed you can.
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Scenario: Would like redundancy on 2 x 5508's but unable to utilise HA (SSO) due to internal WLC DHCP requirements.
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Actually in the Mobility Group you enable the user to move form one WLC APs coverage to other WLC APs coverage with same client IP configuration.. so if we make groups then obviously we should make different DHCP scope to avoid network address range exhausted.
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I recently discovered that when you have multiple controllers and want to implement Mobility Groups, more is needed than simply entering the same Default Mobility Group Name for each controller within the mobility group. The following is required:
a) The IP address of the "Virtual" interface on each controller must be identical on each controller within the mobility group.
b) The Default Mobility Group Name must be identical on each controller within the mobility group (case sensitive).
c) The mobility table must be populated with an entry for each controller within the mobility group.
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* LWAP access points refusing to change to a different controller, even if their primary controller is explicitly set and the LWAP is rebooted.
* LWAP access points unable to find any other wireless controller other than the one pointed to by the "CISCO-LWAPP-CONTROLLER" DNS entry (presumably, this would also be the case if DHCP Option 43 is used to point the LWAP to a controller). Once the first controller reaches its max. capacity of LWAPs, no more LWAPs can join.
* Even MASTER CONTROLLER MODE has no effect.
Cisco TAC was able to explain the great mystery of the Mobilty Group Table to me. However, unless you know your problem is related to mobility groups issues, you might not know to start there (I know I didn't).
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Build a text file with one entry for each controller in the mobility group as follows:
Log into the GUI for each controller and selecting: Controller -> Mobility Management -> Mobility Groups, click the "EDIT ALL" button and copy the MAC and IP address from the text box into a text file using NOTEPAD. Repeat this for each controller, creating a new line for each:
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00:1a:6c:91:22:A0 192.168.20.44
00:1a:6c:91:22:B4 192.168.20.45
Once the text file is completed (one entry for each controller in the mobilit group), click the EDITALL button and copy the entire contents of the text file and paste it into the text box on the controller GUI, click the APPLY button and click Save Changes. Repeat for each controller.
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* The IP address of the "virtual" interface ( Controller -> interfaces ) must be the same on all controllers.
* The "Default Mobility Domain Name" ( Controller -> General ) must be identical on each controller in the mobility group (note: the Mobility Domain Name is case sensitive).
After making changes directly to the controllers, a "refresh from controller" in the WCS might be needed to get the WCS to attempt to synchronize itself with the controllers.
Here is a link to the 4.2 Wireless Controller Configuration Guide which discusses this in greater detail.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6366/products_configuration_guide_chapter09186a00808e638b.html
It is unfortunate that there are currently no mechanisms in the WCS 4.2 to make these changes in bulk (i.e.: The WCS has no Controller Template to do this).
Also, if you ever need to replace a controller, you will need to update the Mobility Group Table in each controller in the Mobility Group (since the tables will have the MAC address of the old controller which will now be different in the new replacement controller).
Despite having used the "unified" product for some time now, there are still surprises from time to time. I just thought that I would share my experience for those who may want avoid it and/or who may be encountering any of odd the behavior described above.
- John

Hi John,
Nice work with this very relevant info! Please post a short reply here so that we can give this the nice rating it deserves :)
Thanks again!
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Manufacturer's Name.............................. Cisco Systems Inc.
Product Name..................................... Cisco Controller
Product Version.................................. 7.6.130.0
Bootloader Version............................... 1.0.20
Field Recovery Image Version..................... 7.6.101.1
Firmware Version................................. FPGA 1.7, Env 1.8, USB console 2.2
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System Location..................................
System Contact...................................
System ObjectID.................................. 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.1069
Redundancy Mode.................................. SSO (Both AP and Client SSO)
IP Address....................................... 10.31.66.21
Last Reset....................................... Software reset
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System Timezone Location......................... (GMT) London, Lisbon, Dublin, Edinburgh
System Stats Realtime Interval................... 5
System Stats Normal Interval..................... 180
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TA,
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http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/8-0/configuration-guide/b_cg80/b_cg80_chapter_010001101.html
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http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/8-0/configuration-guide/b_cg80/b_cg80_chapter_01110000.html
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/8-0/configuration-guide/b_cg80/b_cg80_chapter_01110001.html
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http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/prime_infrastructure/2-0/configuration/guide/pi_20_cg/temp.html
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regards,
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Hello,
As per your query i can suggest you the following solution-
In all Wireless LAN Controller (WLC) versions earlier than 4.2.61.0, when a WLC goes "down," the LAP registered to this WLC can failover only to another WLC of the same Mobility Group, if the LAP is configured for failover. From Cisco WLC version 4.2.61.0 and later, a new feature called Backup Controller Support is introduced for access points to failover to controllers even outside the Mobility Group. Refer to Wireless LAN Controller and Light Weight Access Points Failover Outside the Mobility Group Configuration Example for more information.
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Hi all,
One question, can I have 2 WLC's on different Mobility Groups pointing to the same HA N+1 WLC which is located in one of those Mobility Groups?. I have not seen any note about this on the Cisco documentation I have checked.
thanks

From 7.4 onwards AP can fail over to a WLC even they are in different mobility group. So I think this set up should work without any problem.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/controller/7.4/configuration/guides/consolidated/b_cg74_CONSOLIDATED_chapter_01110011.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/technology/hi_avail/N1_HA_Overview.html
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I have a 4400 and a 5508 WLC in the same location
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Resolution :
Yes you are correct. Please follow this link for Mobility groups and Roaming :
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/controller/7.2/configuration/guide/cg_mobility.html

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Wlc mobility group

HI,
How many WLCs 5508 can you add to the mobility group?

WLC code 5.1 and above we can add 24 WLC in a single mobility Group..
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/controller/7.0/configuration/guide/c70mobil.html#wp1093878
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We are using 2 WLC 5508 running 7.0.98.0 sw (AP's are 1142) at our primary site. They are hosting 3 different WLAN/SSID's, one for guest and the
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Now we have the need for our UK peer site to publish a corp WLAN that exists in UK - at our site, and when trying to configure for that (following the c70cg.pdf) - I put the WLC's for UK in a new mobility group, say "BBBB". But i can't add our WLC's into that mobilty group
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//Mikael

I think you are misunderstanding , so far what you did on your local swedish site is correct. Your two swedish WLCs have to be in their own same mobility group so you can give seamless roaming to your wireless users across your swedish area without interruption.
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WEBGUI - CONTROLLER - MOBILITY MANAGEMENT - MOBILITY GROUPS
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xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 192.168.1.1 uk
yy:yy:yy:yy:yy:yy 192.168.1.2 uk
zz:zz:zz:zz:zz:zz 172.17.1.1 sweden
aa:aa:aa:aa:aa:aa 172.17.1.2 sweden
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With regards to the execs that are coming, yes, replicate the SSID and point it to the Radius Server they have in UK, add your swedish WLC(s) as a NAS on the Radius Server and it should work as if they were in UK. that should be enough and i advise you to do the following for mobility groups config.
on the two UK WLCs
xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 192.168.1.1 uk
yy:yy:yy:yy:yy:yy 192.168.1.2 uk
on the two Swedish WLCs
zz:zz:zz:zz:zz:zz 172.17.1.1 sweden
aa:aa:aa:aa:aa:aa 172.17.1.2 sweden
hope i cleared it out for you. greeting from cold Belgium tonight :-) and hope the execs will enjoy Sweden!

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