Wireless on a beige G3 OS9

Up until now the wireless era has passed me by on my 56k (in practice 28k) modem. Now the city where I live it talking about installing wireless on telephone polls, accessible for a subscription of $20. I have a G3 beige and my girlfriend has a G3 iMac, both running OS 9.2.2. Although I'm pretty experienced with Macs, I know very little about wireless (okay, I know a fair amount about Macs, I'm just always about 5-10 years behind the current technology). What's the best way to go about using this service when it arrives in about 6 months? Do I need a card in my Mac or is there an external device that will work with my dinosaur? What software might I require (other than the usual networking software)?
Thanks

The slot-loading iMacs and later have a place where an original Airport card can be installed with an adapter board.
58537- iMac (Slot Loading): Installing or replacing an AirPort Card
beige G3 running 10.2 or later can use an Ethernet-to-Wireless adapter, commonly called a "game adapter".
But the above solutions presume you want to connect wirelessly to your access point/Router. That is not necessary. Most wireless access point/Routers have at least one Ethernet port, and you can connect a switch to that one port to allow the connection of as many Ethernet devices as you wish.
What I have done is to pull (8 conductor category 5e or better) Ethernet cables to everywhere I might want to use a Mac in the future, and as needed, plug the cables I want to use now into a switch in a central location (like the telephone entry panel). You can share files and printer today, and when your area goes wireless, connect to the Internet over the same cables.
106658- Creating a small Ethernet network

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