WLC Voice Audit - Aggressive Load Balancing on WLAN not disabled

I am running v6.0.196 on 2 WLCs. Aggressive Load Balancing is disabled globally via WCS. (Configure / Controller / General / Aggressive Load Balancing = Disabled). When running the Voice Audit Tool against the VoWLAN, I receive the following:
"Aggressive Load Balancing on WLAN not Disabled"
I am unable locate the command or the screen to actually disable this on an individual WLAN. Is this perhaps a code glitch?
-Robert

This is not available on the WCS. I was able to locate this on the individual WLCs.
But thanks for pointing me where to look nonetheless!
-Robert

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I'm looking for the command on the Cisco WLC to debug Aggressive Load-Balancing.
There is a nice document, ID 107457 describing this feature, but it lacks the command.
Please investigate and help me and maybe improve YOur documentations.
Thanks in advance
Winfried

Hello NetPros,
I have disabled now "Agressive Load Balancing" now on the WLC. To my surprise, still Load-balancing packets are received from our HREAP-APs via a WAN-Link on the central WLC.
Here is an example:
Tue Jan 13 15:35:59 2009: 00:1c:bf:4a:3f:2e LBS data stored for Mobile 00:1c:bf:4a:3f:2e from AP 00:23:5d:0e:e9:e0(0) new saved RS
SI (A -128, B -53), SNR 41, inUse 1, [rcvd RSSI (A -128, B -54), SNR 40]
Tue Jan 13 15:35:59 2009: 00:1c:bf:4a:3f:2e LBS data rcvd for Mobile 00:1c:bf:4a:3f:2e from AP 00:23:5d:0e:e9:e0(0) with RSSI (A -
128, B -55), SNR 42
Tue Jan 13 15:35:59 2009: 00:1c:bf:4a:3f:2e LBS data stored for Mobile 00:1c:bf:4a:3f:2e from AP 00:23:5d:0e:e9:e0(0) new saved RS
SI (A -128, B -54), SNR 41, inUse 1, [rcvd RSSI (A -128, B -55), SNR 42]
It is remarkable that the MAC-addresses of many of the WLAN-clients do not belong to our company and packets are send via a WAN-link.
Why do I see these packets while load-balancing is disabled ?
How is this working ?
Thank You for any explanation.
Winfried

WLC - Aggressive Load Balancing?

Hello,
The Wirless LAN Network bulit is as follows -
1. 1 x 4404 WLC
2. 40 x LWAPP 1131AG Access Points
3. Windows Clients used by the Laptop Clients.
4. Only one Wireless VLAN across the Capmus network - hence AP's, WLC & Clients are all in one VLAN / IP Subnet.
5. No Access Point Group is created.
6. Aggressive Load Balancing is enabled allowing 15 Clients as max connection per Access Point.
Problem facing -
1. Tried configuring the Aggressive Loadbalancing allowing only 2 x Clients per AP. But noticed that the 3rd Client connecting to the same AP as of the previous 2 Clients have connected. 3rd client is not associating to a different AP which is nearby.
Please can one help me, if i'm configuring & testing Aggressive Load Balancing in the right way!
Regards,
Keshava Raju

AMR is on target. In fact I just completed 20 hours worth of testing with variuos clients with ALB for a white paper I am doing. Code 17 isnt honored by most clients and is only sent 1 time from the AP. The clients will contiue to attempt to associate to the AP and the AP will allow them on.
Here is a peek of my white paper "still in draft"
WLC - Cisco WLC Aggressive Load Balancing; What is it and where did it go in 6.0!
I've spent the majority of my WLC experience at code level 4.2. Not by choice really, more
based on the fact that 4.2 is pretty darn stable and it is the only safe harbor to date for the Cisco WLC. Healthcare and Enterprise enviroments are typically slow to move on upgrades, especially when things are operating fine.
Since my latest project involves the deployment of hundreds of Cisco 1142s @ location grade, it required that I move to later code to support the 1142 access points. After much research, conversations with our
local Cisco Wireless SE, conversation with peers at other healthcare organizations, and direct contact with the aware team I had decided that 6.0.188.0 was a release that was of great interest.
As I start to get fimilar with the new code I am starting to see that things got moved around a little. One of the items is Aggressive Load Balancing. If you aren't fimilar with Aggressive Load Balancing (ALB) you definitly need to be and let me share why.
First lets look at what ALB is and how it works and then we will dive into the differences between the 4.2 code and the new options 6.0 gives us. ALB when enabled, allows the Cisco WLC to load balance wireless clients on access points that are joined to the same controller. “Key word here – same controller”. You can configure the load balancing window globally in the controller. What is the load balancing window you ask? Well is the maximum number of clients that should be allowed on the access point BEFORE it will start to load balance.
Lets assume for a moment you have an access point with 5 clients already attached. When client #6 sends association request to the access point the access point will kindly respond with an associaton response frame with the reason code of 17. The wireless client will see reason code 17 in the association response and will kindly find other access points to associate with. However, some devices will ignore this frame and yet still continue to try and associate to the access point. Note: The Cisco WLC will ONLY send 1 reassociation frame with a reason code of 17. It doesn’t flood the medium / client with multiple frames.
Its up to the client to honor this information and move on. But I can tell you from my experience and testing this isn’t always the case.
By default, 4.2 and 6.x both have a load balancing window of (5). Lets look at an example.
The window setting controls when aggressive load−balancing starts. With a window setting of five, for
example, all clients after the sixth client are load−balanced.
I know, what is the reason code talk, right. Lets cover this as well. If you dive into the 802.11 frames you will see “Reason Codes”. When a client sees the reason code of “17”, it indicates to the client that the access point is busy and the client should look else where.
yada yada yada
I will post the complete paper on my site: my80211.com in the next week or so ...

Aggressive Load Balancing Per SSI

Hey team,
I was looking through some docs but couldn't find out "WHEN" aggressive load balancing would be available per SSID on a WLC. Does anyone have any feedback on this particular topic? We have some legacy clients and we want to segregate them via WLAN and have the feature available when necessary without supplicants etc.
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bigjess

Hi bigjess,
Available as of 6.0.188.0 with 6.0.196.0 being the current maintenance release.
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Two days after the upgrade, IT-administrators had reported problems with 15 of the WLCs.
The symptoms was:
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Aggressive Load Balancing........................ Enabled
Aggressive Load Balancing Window................. 0 clients
Aggressive Load Balancing Denial Count........... 3
Statistics
Total Denied Count............................... 5873 clients
Total Denial Sent................................ 14067 messages
Exceeded Denial Max Limit Count.................. 2924 times
None 5G Candidate Count.......................... 8215 times
None 2.4G Candidate Count........................ 2331 times
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..and the problems now seem to have dissappeared.
Aggressive load-balancing is disabled as default in the newest versions of WLC software, but we have upgraded since version 4.0.155.5 (where I think this was enabled as default), and I guess this setting was enabled because of that.
Some info from cisco.com about aggressive load balancing:
Aggressive load-balancing works at the association phase. If enabled and the conditions to load-balance are met, when a wireless client attempts to associate to a LAP, association response frames are sent to the client with an 802.11 response packet that includes status code 17. This code indicates that the AP is too busy to accept any more associations.
It is the responsibility of the client to honor, process or discard that association response frame with reason code 17. Some clients ignore it, even though it is part of the 802.11 specification. The standard dictates that the client driver must look for another AP to connect to since it receives a "busy" message from the first AP it tries. Many clients do not do this and send the association request again. The client in question is allowed on to the wireless network upon subsequent attempts to associate.
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Aggressive load balancing

hi there,
i am having problems with implementing load balancing successfully. its really churing my head. Can the genious people out here shed me some light on aggressive load balancing. How successful is load balancing? I have not been able to block clients connecting to a light weight AP when it exceeds the maximum clients allowed. Please help

Hi Solomon,
Have a look at this recent thread. There are some excellent
answers which detail this process
https://supportforums.cisco.com/message/3121939#3121939
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Rob
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Option 1
The formula shown is correct (load-balancing window + client associations on AP with highest load = load-balancing threshold). If so, this would mean that if you had a window size of 5 and the AP with the highest load at the time of calculation was 15, the threshold would be 18. However, as no APs have 18 associations then this threshold would never be reached. Even if an AP reach 18 associations, the next client trying to associate would trigger another calculation for the threshold which would be 21 (3 + 18) and so still, this threshold would never be hit.
Option 2
The description in the paragraph below is correct (The access point with the lowest number of clients has the lightest load. The client window size plus the number of clients on the access point with the lightest load forms the threshold). This sounds much more sensible to me. In this case, the window size was 3 and the AP with the lowest number of associations already had 7 clients associated, the load balancing threshold would be 10 i.e. no load balancing would occur until a client tried to associate with an AP which already had at least 10 clients associated.
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I think Option 2 is the correct description of load balancing and the formula given stating use of the AP with the highest load is a typo (albeit still not corrected in the latest documentation). Am I correct?
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Interesting, the config guide contradicts itself in the same paragraph.....    I thought maybe we had two different documents with different explanations. I don't see any open documentation bugs asking to correct this, but I swear I've heard discussion on this in the past.......
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Option #2, the way you explain it is correct to my understanding...
Your question #3 is also correct (not sure if it is Top 8 or based on an RSSI threshold though.)
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here it is the documentation:
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