Word to the wise about ATI

Please see the forum Documentation Discussion  ATI Radeon and Kernel2.6 (Updated).
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The indications are that the ATI modules are a bear to install and run.
The evidence indicates that the stock kernel will not permit the loading of ATI drivers.  The kernel has to be hand -made by the user.
This is stated in the forum replies....can you believe it is a fact or just a wily-nily comment?
The sheer number of difficulties encountered indicate the poor definition of the problem in the first place. 
I predict this is only the beginning of even further problems as the archlinux kernels are pacman -Syu installed.
I have two ATI modules I will send back to ATI...these guys are in Canada,yet!!!!
I have to sign-off now while I go to Fry's to get a good video card.
Bye-Bye ATI!!(Care to join me?)

I never had any issues getting my ATI card to work under linux. The new ATI drivers are much improved over the previous version.  Yes, I had to recompile the kernel so that AGPGART was a module but that isn't such big of a deal. I first installed the ATI drivers under Slack w/o any sort of package management using rpm2tgz.
The one thing that bugs most people about the ATI linux drivers isn't that the module is difficult to install but that the performance isn't up to par with their windows offerings. nVidia drivers are very close on both platforms. If I had a newer ATI card I'd probably stick with it before putting up more money to get an nVidia card (get an older GeForce 4 Ti or GeForce 6) right now. But, I'll probably always buy nVidia for future graphics cards. When I build my AMD64 box down the road it will be powered by nVidia graphics unless ATI improves by vast amounts in the driver department. FYI, I'm using an nVidia GeForce FX 5700 my current Athlon XP box and it isn't even close to being the card my old Radeon 8500 is for Windows, but under linux it's much better.

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