Workstation loosing policies
Hello NG
I have a serious problem with ZCM11 policies
I defined grouppolicies on ZCM 11 and additional Policies for Office. I
explain you how i did configure these policies.
On a windows 7 gpo administration workstation i copied the office2010 admx
files in the c:\Windows\PolicyDefinitions folder. In this case i was able to
configure the Office policies.
With ZCM i created two policies. One for standard configuration, as "hide
standard programs from standar menu" etc etc. the second one was a Office
policiy where i defined different settings for the applications.
I published these policies to OUs. ZCM11 before it upload the policies to
its webserver it will pack these policies as zip file and place somewhere on
the ZCM Server. I suppose, that when the user login to workstation, the
zipfile will be extracted to the workstation with the settings i made....
anyway.....
The problem is the following. The workstations don't have the additional
admx files on the c:\Windows\PolicyDefinition folder. But the policies were
set correct. I mean Office settings and global GPO settings were set.
Yesterday about 10 machines did lost all GPO settings. I checked with
gpedit.msc if there was policies active. None of the definied policies was
active. and all settings were lost.
What could be the cause of this issue?
Ramon
Hello Shaun
When I understand you correctly, the ADMX files are not needet to be copied
on the workstation. Correct?
My second problem. The Policies are effective. The problem was, that the
workstations did have the policies, then at once, during user were working,
the workstation did loose the policies. Have a look on these two policies
On the GPO on ZCC I don't have some Message logs.
Policy type: Windows Group Policy
Size: (Compute)
Version: 1
Enabled: Yes
Number of errors not acknowledged: 8
Number of warnings not acknowledged: 0
GUID: fd35bb8b437802cbfb8db6e9425627fb
Administrator Notes: (Edit)
Policy Status
RefreshRefresh
Assignment Status
Assignment Type Targeted Devices Effective Devices
Not Effective Pending
User 301 40
0 N/A
Device 0 0
0 0
Enforcement Status
Assignment Type Devices Pending Devices Succeeded
Devices Failed
User 0 40
0
Device 0 0
0
Policy type: Windows Group Policy
Size: (Compute)
Version: 5
Enabled: Yes
Number of errors not acknowledged: 8
Number of warnings not acknowledged: 0
GUID: 36ce6715d1db11d094d7a59ab361d63a
Administrator Notes: (Edit)
Policy Status
RefreshRefresh
Assignment Status
Assignment Type Targeted Devices Effective Devices
Not Effective Pending
User 301 41
0 N/A
Device 0 0
0 0
Enforcement Status
Assignment Type Devices Pending Devices Succeeded
Devices Failed
User 0 41
0
Device 0 0
0
Ramon
"Shaun Pond" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Ramon,
2 different issues: ADMX (and ADM) files are necessary for gpedit to
create the settings, they are not needed for the policy to be applied.
So, to the second problem - your policies not applying, have you
checked that the policy shows as effective? Have you looked at the
status in ZCC?
Shaun Pond
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> we can see the windows update settings grayed out while the Application
> Launcher is spinning. After the workstation is finished loading, the
> WSUS settings go away.
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How to restrict group of workstations
Zenworks 3.2 sp2 & WinXP Novell Client 4.9sp2
User policy for Staff/Faculty accounts gives them DLU accounts wiht the
Admininstrator's rights - the main reason is the fact that they use PCs
mainly in the offices. Volatile User Cache is set to 366 days on office PCs.
Students get Limited DLU accounts and public PCs have Workstation
Manager configured to non-volatile accounts (Cache is unchecked).
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AndrzejWell, I'm afraid there is no better solution. As long as they are
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Deyan
Andrzej Zalewski wrote:
> Deyan
> I thought about it, but we have too many staff memeber sharing PCs,
> besides my boss wants to have everything as general as possible, no
> manual intervention on a deployed pc, regardless office or public lab.
> Andrzej
>
> Deyan Stoykov wrote:
>
>> Andrzej,
>> Create a local account for each faculty/staff user on his/her personal
>> PC in the office, member of the Administrators group and matching
>> his/her NDS username and password. After that reconfigure the DLU
>> policy so that they will not have administrative rights. Then they
>> will be members of Administrators on their personal PCs in their
>> offices and members of Users everywhere else. This makes most sense to
>> me.
>>
>> HTH
>> Deyan
>>
>> Andrzej Zalewski wrote:
>>
>>> Zenworks 3.2 sp2 & WinXP Novell Client 4.9sp2
>>> User policy for Staff/Faculty accounts gives them DLU accounts wiht
>>> the Admininstrator's rights - the main reason is the fact that they
>>> use PCs mainly in the offices. Volatile User Cache is set to 366 days
>>> on office PCs.
>>>
>>> Students get Limited DLU accounts and public PCs have Workstation
>>> Manager configured to non-volatile accounts (Cache is unchecked).
>>>
>>> Unfortunately some faculties treat public lab PCs as their own and
>>> they install whatever they desire on the lab PCs (why not ? since
>>> they have all the rights, right?)
>>>
>>> I wonder if I could somehow restrict staff/faculty access on those
>>> workstations through policies.
>>> TIA
>>> Andrzej -
Several Group policies on user
Is it possible to have several windows group policies on a user?
If it is a general gpo associated to the container, and a another to a user
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/LeifThanks Rolf!
Exactly the answer I wanted.
Must also thank you again for the tip on how to distribute certificates with
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It works great!
Regards
Leif
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> Group Policies are additive and they apply in the order
> you have set in your Search Policy Search Order:
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/...k.html#a777rvi
> "Additive Group Policies:
> Group policies are now additive. This means that settings from multiple
> Group policies are cumulatively effective, rather than individually.
> Settings from multiple Group policies can affect users and workstations.
> Policies start with the local Group policy settings and are applied in
> reverse of the policy search order. This means that a setting in a policy
> applied first has lowest priority and its value is overwritten by any
> other
> policy with the same setting.
> Security settings are not additive; they are set by the last effective
> policy."
>
> See also:
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/...a/a779n8h.html
>
> Regards
> Rolf Lidvall
> Swedish Radio (Ltd)
> NSC SysOp
>
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>
> I'm having trouble controlling which container workstations import into.
> My workstation import policies specify that workstations should be
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>
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>
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(two
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and
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is set?
TIA
JTJGT
> Would the first import Win because the registry
> is set?
Inventory process would go like this.
Workstation manager see's that it is the same tree, ok then apply thepolicies | workstation import checks to see if there is information
the
the HKLM/software/novell/workstation manager/identification key |
see's
that this already contains workstation and tree information | updatesworkstation object were it was first imported to.
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http://tinyurl.com/k15u
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Originally Posted by craig_wilson
It's possible to get by without ANY server side components.
The two main server functions are the Inventory Server and Workstation
Import Service.
If you are not worried about Inventory, then the Inventory Server does
not matter.
Workstation Import Service is not required, though not having it is a
slightly larger issue. There are two main things you lose if the WS is
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#1 - You cannot assign Bundles/Policies directly to Devices, only uses.
Duh :>
#2 - The System Account will not have any File Rights for running User
Associated Bundles set to run as System Directly from a Network share.
However, you could run the bundle as Logged on User or 1st copy the
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On 7/6/2012 3:26 PM, nlandas wrote:
>
> Ok guys, I have to be honest I was really versed on ZfD but it has been
> a good number of years since I've really touched it. Here is what is
> going on, we are migrating fully to OES2 SLES10/OES11 and removing all
> our Netware servers over time. We are at a point where we can retire 2
> of our 3 remaining Netware servers if ZfD doesn't require them. We are
> in the process of also going to Windows 7 on all workstations, we'll use
> ZCM 11 for them. Here is my question....
>
> What does the Windows Desktop Agents rely on for user related policies?
> Does it connect to eDirectory directly and read the policies? In other
> words we have Windows XP Pro workstations running the ZFD Agents. We are
> only are using the user associated policies for DLU(mandatory remaining
> profiles) and user associated group policies. We'd like to keep these
> running and if memory serves they don't call any specific NLMs on the
> Netware servers, they just read eDirectory for their information.
>
> Is this correct? Please be kind, my ZfD 7 knowledge is simply fading
> away. Thanks.
>
> -Nyle
>
>
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10.1. ZESM client tries to deploy over and over and over and over. Ended
up having to set bundle requirements so it checks to see if c:\program
files\novell\zenworks security client\stengine.exe exists so it won't
install if it's already there. I don't really like this workaround.
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it's broadcasting for a dhcp address.). During this time, Adaptive Agent
cannot send updates to the zcm server. Eventually the workstation
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Comments in-line.
>The reason I am asking a second time is I suspect you know the answer,
>but just ignored the question.
I wasn't actually for sure if I did know what it meant. Sorry I was not
more open about that.
My understanding of serialization is simply a method to which move
objects, either to a file (stream) or to another object or system.
>What does this error mean. I am getting
>it when ( I think) I am just trying to deploy a simple windows
>application bundle in ZCM10.1.1. i.e. I am attempting to launch a
>windows executable. I say I think so, because the error does not
>indicate which package/bundle generated the error.
>
There might not be anything wrong with the bundle or package now that I
think about it. Of course we don't want the error message, but in general
there might not be anything wrong other than this specific situation.
>So the action manager goes through and one by one attempts to perform
>the appropriate action (in my case launch) for each object for which a
>user/device is assigned ? and if any one of those objects in this
>(serial) string of events fails, then this error is generated ?
>
>I am wondering of some of these are as simple as, the user logs out,
>before the action manager finishes its list. ?
I am wondering if the bundle is deploying the ZESM client and wants to
send back a message to the ZCM server about the launch status or
distribution status. This could be done, I don't know for sure as I am not
a developer for ZCM, but this could be done with serialization. So the
bundle is sending a status message back to ZCC, but the ZESM client
install is killing the network connection at the exact time this is
happening which is generating the serialization error.
We might need to do more testing before we can find a fix for this.
Are you saying that other simple bundles do not have this issue? Example:
A bundle that launches calc.exe does not have an issue?
Jared Jennings - Data Technique, Inc.
Novell Support Forums Sysop
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Hi,
We have a number on workstations in one area of our university whose desktop policies do not refresh following build/rebuild.
Workstations are members of a group and a policy package is associated with that group which deploys printers and makes some tweaks. The workstation can be rebooted any number of times but the policies don't appear. Run wmsched and click "Refresh" and there they are.
Is there a means of forcing the workstation to refresh its policies (other than by manual intervention) or troubleshooting what might be going on?
We're using Zenworks 7 and Windows XP SP2 and SP3 clients.
Thanks in advance,
MattThe only way I've ever been able to reliably refresh policy is with a reboot (workstation) or login (user). Some settings will update via the wmsched.exe tool, but not consistently.
~Todd
Originally Posted by leekie
Hi,
We have a number on workstations in one area of our university whose desktop policies do not refresh following build/rebuild.
Workstations are members of a group and a policy package is associated with that group which deploys printers and makes some tweaks. The workstation can be rebooted any number of times but the policies don't appear. Run wmsched and click "Refresh" and there they are.
Is there a means of forcing the workstation to refresh its policies (other than by manual intervention) or troubleshooting what might be going on?
We're using Zenworks 7 and Windows XP SP2 and SP3 clients.
Thanks in advance,
Matt
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