WoW FPS at native res?

Im thinking of buying either a 15 or 17 inch MBP, but im curious what their framerates are on native resolutions with most settings at high for World of Warcraft. My normal gaming machine runs 4 gb of ram, a c2q cpu (yes, quadra), and 2 nVidia 8800GTX graphics cards in SLI, so im spoiled when it comes to gaming quality, and any average framerate below 60 isnt good enough for me. I figured if bad came to worse, i could load windows on bootcamp and install teh catylist thingy and overclock it to suit me.

I have been running wow on a MBP 17 inch core 2 duo. and I have not had any problems.

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First of all, I am far from an expert but as I said, from my experience and after reading a LOT, HDMI cannot support 1366x768, that is why the TV goes without picture if you try. Why? I don't know.
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