Wrong Monitor Profile used by PS CS5

Running Windows 7 Professional, Photoshop CS5.
I have a laptop and an external monitor, identified by Windows as Display 1 and Display 2, respectively. The latter is usually off, unless I'm going to do some photo editting, etc, so my Windows Display Settings normally say "Show desktop only on 1" - i.e. Laptop only.
Firstly, it may be useful to point out that Windows Color Management identifies the monitors in reverse, showing laptop as Display 2 and external as Display 1.
I do occasionally fire up PS while "Show desktop only on 1" (i.e. laptop only) is in effect, just to have a quick look at something, and under these conditions PS shows the external monitor's Default Profile as the Monitor RGB Profile. This is plainly wrong. I get the same problem with IrfanView when its Color Management is on - it also uses the external monitor's profile. IV author informs me that this is the profile name returned by Windows.
Apparently, when an application asks Windows for the relevant profile name, Windows is returning the wrong profile. This problem does not exist when running in Extended mode or with the external monitor only (i.e. "Show desktop only on 2").
Am I alone in seeing this particular behaviour? I can't help but suspect that the reversing of the Monitor IDs by Windows CM is a factor here.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I have to agree with you; getting the correct monitor identification squared away is foremost.  Then we'll worry about subsequent issues if any remain.
What video "card" model does your system have?
I ask because there are usually functions in the video drivers for identifying the monitors and assigning them numbers, for example via the following screen in the ATI Catalyst control panel:
-Noel

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