WRT54GL - two xboxes - moderates nat... sometimes

Modem: RCA DHG525
Router: WRT54GL
ISP: Cogeco (Ontario Canada)
I have two xboxes connected to my router (wired). Both xboxes have unique static IPs. xbox1 is in the DMZ. xbox2 has ports 53, 80 and 3074 forwarded for TCP and UDP. Block Anonymous WAN Requests is disabled. MTU is set to auto. uPnP is disabled.
I just ran the connection test on xbox2 and got an open nat. I left xbox2 on but signed out of live. I went to xbox1 and ran the connection test and received a moderate nat.
I powered off both xboxs and reran the connection tests with only one xbox powered on at a time. Both xbox1 and xbox2 report moderate nat.
After having both xboxes powered off for a while I ran the connection test on xbox2 again and the nat is open. I powered off xbox2 and ran the connection test on xbox1 and again the nat is moderate.
Again I left both xboxes powered off for a while and ran the connection test on xbox1 first. The nat is moderate. I powered off xbox1 and ran the test on xbox2 and the nat is open. I've run the test on xbox1 before and received an open nat though.
Is this a timing thing? Is something released if the xboxes are both powered off long enough?
Is there a way I can get both xboxes to have an open nat consistantly? I don't need to have them both online at the same time. I'd just like to have an open nat whether I'm playing on xbox1 or xbox2.
Thanks,
imcndn
Solved!
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ok... I tried that out:
Set MTU to 1364
enabled uPnP
disabled port forwarding
disabled dmz
enabled port triggering:
53 TCP
80 TPC
3074 TCP
53 UDP
88 UDP
3074 UDP
Both xboxes powered on:
xbox2 has an open nat
xbox1 has an open nat
That did it... thanks for all the help! Awesome support from the forums!
imcndn

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