X-Fi midi effects

I just bought an X-Fi and I've found that it doesn't seem to respond to cc91 and cc93 (reverb and chorus levels) like all my previous Sound Blaster cards have (these controllers have almost no effect). Setting reverb and chorus levels with the X-Fi involves calculating MSB abd LSB NRPN values and steeting them with cc99 and cc98 to select the effect and cc6 and cc38 to input values. This must be done for every channel and since I have several thousand Midi sequences, setting them all up this way would take all of my free time for months. Is there a way to get the X-Fi midi synths to respond properly to the normal cc91 and cc93 controllers for reverb and chorus? I use Sonar 4 and Nuendo 2.
Have I missed something in setting up the X-Fi, or is there a simple sysex message I could add to my sequences to make cc91 and cc93 work like they should?
I depend heavily on midi for my music production and this quirk makes the X-Fi all but useless as it stands now. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Good luck waiting for support from Creative. Still waiting here myself!
Not only are the Reverb and Chorus effects not so responsive on the XFi, there are several other controller messages that are low or non-responsive with this new card.
If anybody hears from Creative or finds a way to deal with these issues, please post it here!
I most surely will post it on this thread if I get things working!

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I think I may have found a solution (somewhat) for those of you who haven't been able to get much reverb or chorus on MIDI instruments. I believe part of the problem lies in the default SoundFont settings for "reverbEffectSend" and "chorusEffectSend". By default, a SoundFont bank only allows controllers 91 and 93 to access 20% of the total effect available. This may be half of what is causing the problem. You didn't notice this on earlier Sound Blaster cards is because the maximum reverb level in the EAX control panel was EXTREMELY wet (you can test this on Live!/Audigy by allowing the reverb to affect the WAVE output as well--the wave output will be more wet than you will be able to get your SoundFont files).
Unfortunately, I don't have an X-Fi to test this out on, so I will need some willing guinea pigs. If you aren't adept at editing your own SoundFonts, try downloading the latest version of GeneralUser GS (version 1.4) from my website athttp://www.sccmusic.250x.com/sfont/genuser. Version 1.4 is adjusted to allow 100% of the reverb and chorus effect instead of the default 20%. Try it and see if you can get some decent wetness.
Here is a nice, wet MIDI for you to try with it as well: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~coll0360/musi...march_in_d.mid
Now, for those comfortable working in Vienna 2.3 (must be at least version 1.31.0), try the following:
Find a SoundFont that will be your guinea pig (the simpler, the better). Expand the "Instrument Pool". Next, expand the first instrument you see. If the instrument has only one sample, right-click on it and select "Modulator Properties". If the instrument has more than one sample, create a "Global Zone" if one doesn't already exist, and then right-click on "Global Zone" and select "Modulator Properties"
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MIDI CC91 reverbEffectSend <None>
Click on that entry and you should see the value under "Amount" listed as "200". This is (I believe) only 20%. Change that value to "1000" and press Enter on your keyboard. The MIDI CC 91 entry should now show up in red. Repeat the same adjustment for:
MIDI CC93 chorusEffectSend <None>
and close the modulator properties window.
Repeat this step for each instrument in the bank and you should be able to get a much nicer reverb and chorus effect with MIDI.
Please let me know how this works out
-~=Chris Collins

Hey Chris.
I think this is part of the problem with the X-Fi cards.
I started playing different projects and found that certain soundfonts get good reverb and chorus. These fonts are ones I created myself and had set the reverb and chorus levels really high from the beggining. So your solution seems it will correct that part of the problem.
But I still have a problem with certain envelope controller sends which the X-Fi card isn't responding to at all. Particularly, certain projects I have which did a lot of envelope changes throughout the song using the VDW soundfont. Now they don't respond at all and just sound flat through the whole song, which sucks
Any ideas?
Thanks.
P.S. It is going to be a real drag to have to set the reverb and chorus levels high on all my soundfonts!!!
Message Edited by perihelion54 on 12-01-2005 07:18 PM

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can coax reverb out of the X-Fi, and chorus is barely audible when maxxed out. Other brand
name sound cards work fine with these sequencer programs. I bought the X-Fi because I
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will not even acknowledge it even exists. With the large amount of previous threads on this issue being ignored by Creative, there's no way that they are unaware of the problem.
Creative, if this problem is never going to be addressed, please just let us music guys
know, so we don't waste any more time trying to rememdy the issue!
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Did you install the Creative Volume Panel, so you can switch to Audio Creation Mode GUI. In there you can do many things with midi like, 3DMIDI, ASIO, FX Return, ECT. Also, there's the sounfont bank manager. You can load sf2 files to enhance the midi patch sounds.
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I bought an X-Fi a couple of weeks ago, and I soon realized that midi effects controllers cc9 and cc93 (reverb and chorus) didn't work with the X-Fi hardware synths. I called CL Technical support about this and this is the response I got:
"I have spoken with our testers who say that the CC9-Reverb and CC93-Chorus amounts are set in theSF2 file. That value is typically set to hit 20% at maximum CC data entry (27). To work aroundthis, you will need to use NRPNs to set the amount to a greater level, or edit the SF2 contentitself. Please let me know if this information hel
ps.
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mriev wrote:
Maxing everything was the first thing I tried, and no go. Still so little reverb it was hard to tell if it was working, and no detectable chorus. I even went back with Vienna 2.4 and checked my soundfont again, and all was as it should be.
Putting together a brand new sound card is a major undertaking and it's understandable if something gets missed here and there, especially as most of the designers and testers probably aren't serious musicians. It's easy to see how this one could slip past, especially if they were using Soundfonts that have reverb and chorus programmed in to some of the instruments. Everything works fine until you start varying cc9 and cc92 and nothing happens. I haven't checked because I removed the X-Fi and put my Audigy back in, but it's a good bet that none of the midi effect controllers work properly. This is a relati'vely minor issue for most users, but for serious musicians who use midi, it's major. However, I'm sure CL will fix the problem as soon as possible. I just hope it doesn't take too long because the X-Fi is a really, really good sounding card, except for this one problem.
Gi've the X-Fi another try. I had these same issues at first but now cc9 and cc92 work in Sonar4.
These controls work, its just that the reverb is very low and the chorus has to be activated. In the effect editor choose the amphitheater preset as oppose to the default for reverb as it is the most audible.
follow these steps:
. choose creation mode
2. enable EAX effects and set to max
3. select amphitheater preset for reverb
4. activate the 5 bus buttons for chorus in master aux effects box (Front L\R, ect)
step 4 should work best for stereo setup
This should do it.

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"EWN-CMI" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>I think I am having an event timing issue. My desire is
to change the
>"header"
> image on each selection of a tabNavigator. I can swap
the image without
> issue
> through a img.load process. I placed the image on a
canvas and set the
> "showEffect" and "hideEffect" on the canvasto fadeIn and
fadeOut. (I
> actually
> have 2 images on the canvas) On the tabNavigator
"change" event I call my
> getImage() function and set canvs.visible=false, I have
the tab index for
> img.load=headerPic[idx] and then I set
canvs.visible=true; The result is
> that
> I do not get the first visible change, I think. Tab 1 is
initialized to
> visible in ionComplete, clicking on tab 1 has no effect
since it is
> selected
> already. When tab 2 is selected the image changes to the
new image
> immediately
> and then fadesOut. Tab 3 then will fadeIn. Also
regardless of the tab
> selected, if I select another tab the ongoing fade
effect will continue on
> the
> newly selected tab. It seems the load method doesn't
care about effects -
> so I
> don't know how to sequence these effects.
You can use the completeEffect on Image to have an effect
every time an
image loads, such as you can see used here
http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/photoviewer/PhotoViewer.html,
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apply to the
old image before the change.
I think you're going to need to use ActionScript to get the
control over the
effects that you want, so you can call either the end() or
the reverse()
method on the effect when the graphic needs to change in
mid-effect.
HTH;
Amy

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