X-Fi XtremeMusic and Windows 7

Hi All,
I recently bought a used Dell XPS400. Part of the coolness of this "older" computer was the 5. surround sound sound system and awesome audio from the X-Fi XtremeMusic sound card. The sound in the Flight Simulator was stunning, as well as in the couple other older games I loaded. I had great hopes to use the computers multimedia capabilities. I gave it a clean Windows XP installation from the Dell hidden partition, but that had a lot of "trash" stuff included, and the Windows Li've and multimedia stuff wasn't supported by Microsoft, so I decided to pull that the hard dri've with XP out, and install a new HD and load Windows 7 (32 bit) on it.
I'm really liking Windows 7!
But, (there has to be a "but"), I lost the 5. surround sound from the X-Fi XtremeMusic card. The front stereo speakers are good, but no center channel/subwoofer, and no rear sound. The drop down box for speakers on the Creative control panel only has an entry for 2.0/2.. No other choice is offered.
So, I started troubleshooting.
Went to Creative Labs and got the most current drivers (SBXF_PCDRV_LB_2_8_005) and installed them. Nope.
Uninstalled the card, deleted the drivers and all Creative software, restarted the computer, shut it down (pulled the plug and drained the MB), installed the card, restarted and installed the drivers again. Nope.
Checked the speakers with an MP3 device. All the speakers worked, so not a new problem with the sound system hardware.
Pulled the Windows 7 hard dri've out and reinstalled the XP hard dri've. YES! everything works again. But I want to use Windows 7.
This is a barebones Windows 7 (32 bit) installation, with only Microsoft Flight Simulator and Norton AntiVirus installed at this point.
The card has a tag on in stating it is a model SB0460, and the serial number is MASB046760900437P.
Anything else I can try
Thanks!
Grampa Steve

I'm not sure...
When I go to the Windows 7 control panel and select the sound panels, I end up with the Creative control panel. I can't find a control panel specific to Windows 7 that controls the speakers selection. I will look more this evening.
What frustrates me is that it works so well under XP, but I "only" get stereo under W7. Very nice stereo,?mind you!
Grampa Steve?

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