Xbox 360 and new Dual Band AEBS

Has anyone successfully connected their xbox 360 wirelessly to the new dual band Aiport Extreme. I can get a connection but the xbox will not receive an IP. I've tried every possible combination of wireless signals, channels, and no encryption still nothing...

For some reason it causes the xbox to not obtain an IP if I have the Express as Participating only extend seems to work with the new AEBS. Also I have a mac pro with wireless built in and it would not connect the the N/A antenna it would only connect to the b/g. Once I enabled Extend the Pro connects to the N/A.
There must be a bug with the new AEBS and the Express.

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Having both 802.11g and 802.11n devices on a new dual-band AEBS

Although I don't own a dual-band AEBS yet, I'm thinking I might be in the market for one. I just moved into a new apartment complex where the 2.4GHz frequency is saturated with over 30 wireless networks in range of my unit. I'm thinking that the 5GHz frequency would be much less crowded, and am thus considering getting a dual-band AEBS.
I have the following equipment on my home network:
1 Power Mac G5 (uses wired ethernet)
2 MacBooks (use 802.11n)
1 iPhone (uses 802.11g)
1 PlayStation 3 (uses 802.11g)
My question is (and I keep finding conflicting information on this topic) will the iPhone and the PS3 slow down the MacBooks from 802.11n speed to 802.11g speed when they are connected to the dual-band AEBS? If so, can this be avoided by running 2 routers with two separate SSIDs (one in 802.11n only mode, and the other in 802.11g only mode)?
Sorry if this is a repeat question, but the fine print on Apple's product page says that the dual-band AEBS will be slowed down when a 802.11g device joins, but I have heard people say otherwise elsewhere.
Thanks.

So with the new dual-band AEBS, it is possible to create two different SSIDs (one 5GHz 802.11n and one 2.4GHz 802.11g) and have those two networks seamlessly joined for file/printer sharing as well as both run at their maximum speeds.
To the best of my knowledge, being that I just got one a few days ago and haven't "experimented" fully yet, I believe the answer is yes to all counts. I'm sure if others have had the opportunity to check out all of the features that this new model has to offer, they will certainly chime in.

Reduced transmit rate on new dual band AEBS vs older AEBS 802.11N, gigabit

Hi,
I recently upgrade my AEBS from the older 802.11N Gigabit version to the dual band version. The new 2.4ghz part works fine for my iphone, however the 5ghz signal has much slower throughput. previously I could routinely get 270Mbps, now I am lucky to get 160Mbps. the new 5ghz signal is on the same frequency (48), the same multicast rate, and has wide channels selected. When I plugged the older model back in and tested it the throughput was the same 270Mbps so it is not some new interference.
Anybody else see anything like this? Do the two radios on the AEBS interfere with each other somewhat?
any ideas? Did I just get a dud unit or is this common (fixable?)?
Thanks

Hi Bob,
Thanks for your reply. My situation is a bit different as I have various wifi units from different locations (some US, some European, some Japanese, etc, etc). As such I need to pick a frequency that works for everything, and on my previous non dual band AEBS channel 48 worked fine. I have tried channel 161 just for curriosity and it made no difference. The transmit rate is listed at between 216Mbps and 27Mpbs but as soon as you attempt to transfer anything it drops significantly. I have also tried to time the difference between my new dual band AEBS and the older one and, regardless of what the connection speed is saying, the new one is definitely slower.
It isn't unusable by any means, I just thought it was odd and I have never seen it mentioned on any of the reviews of the new dual band units.

Subnet range for new Dual Band AEBS

One thing that's prevented me from using an AEBS as my router is that Apple crippled it's capability by only allowing a class C subnet and I need to use numbers from across the whole Class A address range. Does the new Dual Band AEBS go any firther and allow you to specify your own subnet mask or is it still just as crippled as it ever was?

The annoying thing is that there's simply no reason for it. Just allow the user to enter some different numbers for the subnet mask and that's it. I can only think they're concerned about someone trying to use an Airport as a router for a well populated Class A or B subnet which would overwhelm it, but to be honest, that's not Apple's lookout. Other small router manufacturers let the user make their own decisions in this regard and it's not the manufacturer's responsibility if the user tries to do something inappropriate.
This is THE big issue for many potential users when it comes to using an AirPort BaseStation as a router (or not, because of this problem). It's about time Apple woke up and fixed this nonsense.

Adding new dual band AEBS-initial setup question--join network or setup new

Upon the initial setup of a new dual band AEBS, do I join my current network or setup a new network?
I bought this just so I can set up a separate 5GHz band to force my newer computers to a faster network. I know that the 5GHz band needs it's own new network name. I am just wondering how to do it at the very beginning after I plug it in. I want the 2.4GHz band to connect on the network I already have, and the 5GHz band to be a new name.
Thanks!

Looks like Bob has already given you the correct steps. In addition to his comments, I would like to offer the following suggestions:
o Before trying to configure either base station to extend your new DB AEBSn, I would strongly suggest that you perform a "hard" reset on the AEBSn & a "factory default" reset on the AXn.
o Place the base stations within near proximity of each other during the set up phase, and then relocate them to their desired locations when complete. To make it even simpler and avoid having to "switch" wireless networks during the setup, attach each to the DB AEBSn via Ethernet.
o Remember each base station will only be able to extend one of the DB AEBSn's radios so try to select the appropriate base station for the job.
o I would recommend the following radio mode combination for your DB AEBS: 802.11n only (5 GHz) - 802.11b/g/n. This will prevent any 'stray' 802.11a wireless clients from connecting to the 5 GHz network and affecting its overall bandwidth performance.

New dual band AEBS: how to force access to 5GHz with single network name?

I just got in a new Mac Mini. From what I had read of the new base station, I assumed that it would automatically connect to the 5GHz band. When I added it the network, the transfer speed seemed to low, however. The rate shown in Airport Utility was between 100 and 130. So I gave the 5GHz band a different name and had the mini join it, and the rate jumped up to 216. I guess it's not a big deal to have two names, but I thought this was supposed to work such that the devices that could utilize the 5GHz band would do it automatically. The mini is very close to the base station.
Another issue is the rate. All of the "g" devices on the network have a steady rate of 54. The rate for the mini bounces all over the place, ranging from 135 to 270. What causes that and are these the rates I should be seeing? Thanks.

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Speed problems with dual band AEBS

I got the new dual band AEBS to replace a belkin b/g router I had and so far it has been a headache. When it started it had 7.4.0 I think and it had speed issues. Certain web sites would take forever to load, even on my imac that was hardwired to the router. My wife's MacBook 1.8 ghz Core Duo (802.11g) had a strong signal but the speed on the web was also really slow, almost like dial up speeds.
I upgraded to 7.4.1 and the speed on the locally attached computer got way better, but my wife's laptop still is acting really slow over wireless.
I wanted to hook up my 2 TB raid to the thing as a AirDisk, but so far I don't trust the router enough to do it. Its a bit dissapointing as I am a real Apple fan in general.
Questions -
1) should I go to 7.3.2? Is this even possible with a dual band device?
2) is it possible that her laptop is trying to get on the wrong network and going slow for that reason?

I'm having the very same problem. Although I've upgraded to the new dual-band ABS (from ABSE), I was getting slower speeds on wireless after the 7.4.1 upgrade. In fact some of the speeds occasionally approach near dial-up while the Mac wired to the ABS is getting near DSL speeds. Very annoying.

Issue with new dual band APE

I am having an issue keeping a good connection on the 5ghz channel with my new dual band airport extreme. Let me explain my current network. I just purchased a new APE. Airport utility shows it as AirPort Extreme Dual Band II with 7.5.1 firmware. I have it running a 2.4ghz G network and a 5ghz N network. In the basement I have my older APE which is a Airport Extreme N with gigabit ethernet (7.4.2 firmware). It is set to join 5ghz network from the dual band and then acts as a hub to my gaming Windows PC, ps3, and xbox. The 5ghz network is very spotty, it will work fine and I can browse away for about a minute and then it will just stop. My laptop and ipad will still show full signal strength, safari will just end up timing out while waiting. If I move them over to the 2.4ghz G network everything works fine, except of course file transfers which are slow because of being on the G network. Also should the older router be on a higher version number of firmware? I have tried checking for updates on both.

+Something seems off.+
Absolutely.
At 2.4 GHz, the high noise level indicates that you are experiencing interference from another wireless network (do you see other networks in iStumbler?), cordless phones (could be yours or your neighbors', a nearby wireless security system, microwave interference...lots of possibilities.
iStumber may not display "hidden" networks. Most modern routers (Apple included) allow users to "hide" their network, so it's possible that you may be experiencing interference from a wireless network that you cannot "see".
If you have cordless phones, you might want to pick a time when you can power them and their base stations completely down for a few hours to see if the wireless signal improves and noise drops on your network. Not much you can do about a neighbor's cordless phone or security system.
Experiment with different channel settings on your 2.4 GHz wireless as well.
Most cordless phone will not interfere with 5 GHz. I can't explain why your 5 GHz signal is so low..and the noise high..if you are close to the router and have line of sight between devices. Try a few different channel settings on 5 GHz as well.
Let us know what you find.

Amazon Q&A - E3200 - Default Nat Type for xbox 360 and ps3

Date: Sep 5, 2012 4:08:21 PM PDT
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the nat type for xbox 360 and ps3, what is it when you set the router up out of the box? are the nat types open moderate or strict

Hi there. It actually depends if the gaming consoles ports are not blocked by your ISP. Moderate NAT type limits your connection playing online games, Strict does not allow you any connection at all while Open allows you to play with everyone online. Have you had a router before with Open NAT on the gaming consoles? Try to check without the router by going directly to the modem and see if your NAT type is open or strict or moderate. If ever modem is fine and it is the router not working right you can port forward ports on the router. I found these usual ports online, for XBOX live:TCP and UDP ports: 80-88, 3074-3074, 4267-4269. For PS380, 443, 3478, 3479, 3480, 5223, 8080 and UDP: 3478, 3479.
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Best way to add new dual band Extreme to existing b/g network

I've been using a Snow Extreme and b/g Express, but have recently been having dropped/slow connection issues. I think this may be at least partially caused from the many other networks and other wireless devices in the neighborhood - I can see 30 or more networks at times. I've also gotten a new Mini and MacBook, both with n wireless, so I decided to get a new dual band Extreme.
The faster connection speed of the new Extreme is very noticeable on my n capable machines. It also looks like the connection issues I was previously having may have been resolved, but its a bit early to tell for sure.
First problem I've had is with setting up the guest network. If I attempt to set it up wirelessly, I get as far as changing the settings and restarting the Extreme. Once I do, it does restart, but then Airport Utility is not able to find it after restart. I am able to see the main and guest network in my available networks, but I am unable to join either. Once I turn guest off (via ethernet since Utility isn't able to see it wirelessly) I am again able to see it in Utility and connect to the main network. If I try to turn on guest via ethernet, I get an error and it does not restart.
Originally the Snow Extreme was the main and the Express was used for wireless printing. My plan was to use the new dual-band as the main, move the Snow to the printer, and use the Express for AirTunes. But now I realize that I'm only able to print and use Airtunes on the main and not the guest network. Since the Snow and Express are b/g, are they going to slow down the main network? I am seeing these as clients in Airport Utility, which I didn't expect. If so, is there a better way to set this up than what I am attempting to do?
I've got the radio mode set to 802.11n only (5GHz) - 802.11b/g/n. Am I able to set it up so that the n capable clients use the 5GHz band and the b/g clients use the 2.4GHz band so that they don't slow down the n connection, or would I even want to do this?
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The jre is 14,872 KB (j2re-1_4_2_03-windows-i586-p.exe).
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Xbox 360 and Linksys E3000

Hello,
I'm having quite some trouble with the new E3000 and my Xbox 360 Slim Model. I thought that the E3000 had like 4 antennas which should broaden the SSID Broadcast/Wifi Signal. Now when I try to scan for wireless networks on my Xbox360 it can't find the signal the E3000 is broadcasting. The E3000 is on the bottom floor and the 360 is on the first floor. Before this I had a WRT54G Linksys router and that one had no problem getting signal to the Xbox360. The E3000 shouldn't have this problem right, because it has more antennas. Another weird thing is that my laptop, which almost sits next to my 360, has no trouble at all finding the SSID/WiFi broadcast...
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Xbox 360 and Linksys E3000Bad news guys. Whatever you were told about the xbox 360 being compatible with wireless n at 5GHz was probably misleading. Please work through the following link: Work your way through this:- http://www.unofficialguidetolive.co.uk/faqs/114-troubleshooting-and-improving-wireless
Pay attention to the following, and I quote from the above link:
"...The Internal Wireless N Adapter for the Xbox 360 S 250GB
As well as all of the points above to consider you also need to be aware that some Wireless N routers can work at 2.4GHz and 5GHz or both. <<<<The new internal Wireless N adapter will only work at 2.4Ghz>>>> so ensure you have this enabled. It has also been found that in some cases it does not work with WEP and prefers WPA2-PSK (sometimes called Personal) with AES encryption (not TKIP) so in summary for the internal wireless adapter these configureations seem to work best-"
We could have saved everyone a lot of time if the XBOX 360 support would have just admitted this from the start. NO 5GHZ compatibility from XBOX Wireless N adapter.
If there is a way to upgrade the wireless N adapter in the XBOX please post for the rest of us.

New dual-band time capsule but computers only access 2.4ghz channel

Just set up a new dual-band Time Capsule (bought it prior to the latest release though). Everything is working so far - Time Machine, wireless internet - but I noticed that both computers in the apartment (2 Macbook Pros - one running 10.5.6, the other 10.6.1) are only accessing the wireless network on Channel 2 (2.4Ghz). And on the laptop running Snow Leopard, I'm only seeing transmit rates of between 50-100. On the Leopard laptop I see up to 130. Doesn't this suggest that the computers are only using the "b/g" band and not the "n" band? When I option-click on the airport menu icon on the SL laptop it does say PHY mode is 802.11n, but I have no idea what PHY mode means frankly.
I feel as though the laptops should be connecting on a much higher channel and seeing much higher transmit rates (closer to 300?), but I'm not at all well-versed in these wireless realms. Any help would be much appreciated...
thanks
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Welcome to the discussions, Thomas!
+"And on the laptop running Snow Leopard, I'm only seeing transmit rates of between 50-100. On the Leopard laptop I see up to 130. Doesn't this suggest that the computers are only using the "b/g" band and not the "n" band?"+
If you were receiving "g" rates, the number would be 54 or less depending on the distance from the router to the computer, so you are seeing some "n" speeds from the 2.4 GHz network. I believe the default setting for this "guest" band is 802.11n (802.11b/g compatible).
Would suggest that you contact Apple as a number of users have reported that either the main network or guest network is not functioning correctly.
The default setting on the main network is 802.11n at 5 GHz, so if you have a good connection and are relatively close to the router, you should see speeds in the 200-270 range.
Many users assume that 5 GHz is a stronger signal, but the facts are that 5 GHz signals are absorbed by walls and obstructions much more quickly than 2.4 GHz signals, so depending on your home construction, distance from router, etc., the 5 GHz signal may not be strong enough. Your computers will connect to the strongest signal. If that's the 2.4 GHz band, that's where they will connect.

Using the Airport with an Xbox 360 and such

Hey guys I'm thinking of buying a new Airport Extreme N for my home since my linksys router is being stubborn. I have an xbox 360 and i was wondering if it worked well with it. What i mean is it faster with the Extreme and is it very reliable. Thanks guys for helping me out and have a Merry Christmas. --- Vinny the Pooh

I just got the Airport for Christmas and it only took a couple of minutes to set up with my xbox 360 and all of my computers connected right away. The signal is twice as good as the signal with my linksys router was. Much better for xbox live. Good luck

V. Slow transfer speeds with new dual band Airport Extreme

I have a new Airport Extreme (late 2009, dual band, full 'N' spec) which I am using to replace an older Airport Extreme (early 2008, 5Ghz, 'draft' N).
I have a USB disk attached and was interested in benchmarking the transfer speed of the new Extreme, compared to the previous version. The results are puzzling / alarming.
Shown below are transfer speeds (file copied to the attached USB drive) under different connection standards (2.4Ghz / 5Ghz & a/b/g/n)
'Old' Airport Extreme
5Ghz - 'draft' N : ~5-7 Mb/sec
'New' Airport Extreme
2.4Ghz - b/g : ~3-5 Mb/sec
5.0Ghz - a : ~3-7 Mb/sec
5.0Ghz - N : ~200 Kb/sec
Hence transfer speeds appear to collapse when I try to make use of the 'N' spec with the latest Extreme. I have tried altering items such as - wide channels (on / off), interference robustness (on / off), 5Ghz channel (manual, instead of auto), with no upside.
I seem to be at the point of concluding that either
1. I have a 'broken' Airport Extreme
2. The WiFi card on my early 2008 iMac (which implements I guess the 'draft' N standard) is 'incompatible' with new the Airport Extreme under a 'N' connection.
Any thoughts ?

Since all devices in my wireless network are capable of latest 802.11n protocol, I really do not need older and slower 802.11a/b/g protocols. To achieve above 200 Mbit/sec, 5GHz band with wide channel option turned on is really necessary. Thus I really wish I can turn off the 2.4GHz radio band (seems Apple has set this band as default) of my new dual band Airport Extreme to avoid unwanted bandwidth degradation. Unfortunately this is not possible with radio mode setting in Airport Utility.
The best I can do to force connection with 5GHz radio band (with quite consistent result) is as follows:
On Airport Extreme through [Airport Utility>Wireless] :
Radio Mode: 802.11n only (5Ghz) - 802.11b/g/n
More Options>Wireless Network Option>Transmit Power: 100%
More Options>Wireless Network Option>Use Wide Channels: checked
More Options>Wireless Network Option>5 GHz Network Name:
checked and same network name with extra suffix "(5 GHz)"
On 27" iMac through [System Preferences>Network>AirPort>Advanced>AirPort]:
Preferred Networks:
Create only one profile in Preferred Networks for the above network name with suffix "(5GHz)"
Uncheck the option [Remember networks this computer has joined] to ensure there is only one profile under Preferred Networks .
Once all above settings are done, restart Airport Extreme in Airport Utility. Your computer should connect wirelessly to the base station through 5GHz band after booting most of the time. Even when it is not occasionally, simply go to the Airport icon in main menu bar and click on the network name with suffix "(5GHz)" in dropped-down list to connect manually. With all these settings, I have achieved 300 Mbit/sec bandwidth on my iMac most of the time for fast Time Machine backup.
How I wish feature for better radio mode control by end user will be implemented in next update of Airport Utility. Apple should trust end user's brain better than artificial intelligence (or ignorance ?) in wireless network implementation. Wireless traffic between the two radio bands and among various wireless devices should be segregated specifically in Airport Utility by end users whenever dual band Airport base stations are in use.

No more WDS networking in the new dual band airport extreme?

we had a network of 3 airport extremes in our small 2 story design studio, we bought a new dual band to see if it would help with our DSL problem [it did], but there is no more WDS networking option available. this unit replaced our MAIN WDS unit. so now we are left with 'extending the network' option. it seems to be working, but what is the reason behind no more WDS?

WDS gives you more control over your network. You can set-up certain base stations as relays and others as remotes. Using the "Extend a network" option just tells the base stations to try and find other base stations. It is much easier for a novice to set-up, and I think this is probably why Apple has highlighted this feature as opposed to WDS (where you have to specify MAC addresses for all base stations and remotes).
WDS is nice if you have a mixed network with older b/g base stations since they don't have the option to "Extend a network" or "Allow this network to be extended".

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