Xserve G5/3,1 with ADM 2TO ?

We have an Xserve G5/Model ID 3.1 with the MegaRaid Card/ running 10.5.8 Server/6go ram. Will the the Apple ADM 2TO work into with Xserve G5. I know it is not supported but...
Did anybody has a set-up like that ? The Xserve is now running with 3x 500go Apple ADM in Raid 5, space is short...
That Xserve G5 is just for AFP, 10 users.

No one a guess ?

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Message was edited by: thaijay
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This is never going to work via cloning.
The server you're cloning has to be one of the original Intel-based XServes. Each successive revision adds requirements to the OS to the point where they have a minimum OS version. In the case of the latest generation servers, they won't run on anything earlier than 10.5.6 (IIRC). To put it simply - 10.4 doesn't know how to drive the latest generation hardware.
In any case, cloning is rarely a good idea for servers anyway. You would do better to look at the services you're running and look at backup/failover plans for them rather than trying to clone the entire server. Many services such as Open Directory, DNS, MySQL and more have built-in replication systems that are designed to replicate their data across many machines. Other client-facing services such as AFP, web, FTP, etc. can be set to failover (where the second machine takes over the service when the primary machine fails).
Such replication/failover techniques are far more reliable than a daily clone, and they're also faster. Replicated data could be maintained up to the minute, compared to a day old data if you need to boot up the clone.
If you really, really want to go the clone route, then reverse the roles - setup the new machine as the primary server with all the services and clone this machine to create your failover system. 10.5.6 will run the old/original XServe, it's just a matter of updating your services to the newer version.

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Tape can still be a viable backup media. The tapes are small and easy to lock in a safe. The backup process can be slow as you know. I have clients that still rely on tape for "deep storage".
The G4 may show marginal gains processor-wise, but depending on which one you have it may have gig-Ethernet which would speed transfers up significantly.
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Up to now, we have been using Firewire connected drives, and rotating them offsite has worked OK. Now we are evaluating three ideas to accomplish this task on a more professional level, and I would welcome feedback on these ideas. Tape is not an option.
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2. Using standard desktop drive/case units (i.e. LaCie, Iomega, etc.).
3. Using a rack-mounted solution (OWC, Sonnet, etc) that has FireWire/eSATA connectivity and hot-swap drives in sleds. These, too, would be in a case of sorts when offsite.
4. Using a drive module on the Xserve -- buy, say, two 80GB ADMs and the replace the mechanisms with a 1.5 or 2 TB mechanisms. These, too, would be in a case of sorts when offsite. Since the Xserve is connected to a RAID, one other drive would be the boot/backup software drive and remain in place at all times.
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