Y cable protection 15454 MSTP 9.1

Dear all,
Would you please comment the following (in brakets are numbers of sections of the document "Cisco ONS 15454 DWDM Reference Manual, Release 9.1", http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/docs/optical/15000r9_1/dwdm/reference/guide/454d91_ref.html):
Issues with Y-cable protection (10.18 Y-Cable and Splitter Protection):
- In a MXP_MR_10DME card provisioned with Y-Cable protection, if a failure is detected on the active path, the traffic is switched to the protect card. In the process of performing the switch operation, the actual end-to-end traffic is affected for up to 15-20 seconds.
- There is a traffic hit of upto a couple hundred milliseconds on the MXP_MR_2.5G and MXP_MR_10DME cards in Y-cable configuration when a fiber cut or SFP failure occurs on one of the client ports.
So does the switchover takes "up to 15-20 seconds" or it takes "couple hundred milliseconds"?
Do you have experience with y-cable protection on "OTU2-XP" cards - how much time it takes for switchover?
Thanks in advance,
Mladen

The way I read the statements is the length of the outage will depend on where the outage occurs in the network.
If their is a cable break in the network between the 15454 nodes, then the outage could be 15-20 seconds.
If the failure is between the 15454 card and the client port, then the outage will be a couple of hundred milliseconds.
I do not have experience with the OTU2 cards.

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    sh ct + •Nudge Event Position by SMPTE Bits +1
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    •Nudge Event Position by Tick +1
    •Nudge Event Position by Tick -1
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    •Nudge Event Position by Format -1
    •Nudge Event Position by Beat +1
    •Nudge Event Position by Beat -1
    •Nudge Event Position by Bar +1
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    •Nudge Event Length by Tick -1
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    •Nudge Event Length by Beat -1
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    •Nudge Event Length by Bar -1
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    Snap Mode: QF
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    Drag Mode: X-Fade
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    Left •Select previous Region
    Right •Select next Region
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    Record Enable Track
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    Find Original of Alias
     Select All Aliases of Region
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    Demix by Note Pitch
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    Delete Trackname
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     Convert Regions to New Regions
     Convert Regions to New Audio Files
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    Copy ReCycle Loop
    Paste ReCycle Loop
    Search Zero Crossings
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    Normalize without Channel
    Normalize without Channel & Delay
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    L Toggle Loop
    sh L Turn Loops to Real Copies
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    Erase Duplicated Events
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    Set Optimal Region Sizes rounded by denominator
    Snap Region Start to Bar
    Remove Overlaps
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    Replace Overlapped Regions
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    Show Channel Strip Only
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    Region Content
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    sh op N Tracknames To Regions
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    Waveform vertical zoom x 2
    Waveform vertical zoom x 4
    Waveform vertical zoom x 8
    ct op co -125 Waveform vertical zoom out
    ct op co Up Waveform vertical zoom in
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    Toggle Audio Inputs
    Toggle Audio Tracks
    Toggle Audio Instruments
    Toggle Audio Aux
    Toggle Audio Busses
    Toggle Audio Outputs
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    New Multi Instrument
    New Mapped Instrument
    New Fader/Knobs/...
    New Keyboard
    New Monitor
    New Arpeggiator
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    New Delay Line
    New Voice Limiter
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    sh ct op Right Object move right
    sh ct op Up Object move up
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    Object Width +1 Pixel
    Object Height -1 Pixel
    Object Height +1 Pixel
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    Apply Buffer Template to Cable(s)
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    Color View: Show Velocity
    Color View: Show Polyphony
    Color View: Force Black & White
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    Voice/Staff Assignment: staff above voice
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    Default Beams
    Not Independent
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    Settings: Clefs & Signatures
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    Octave 3
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    Octave 5
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    1/4 note
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