Y the subcontracting should be within 180 days ?

hii experts
Can some body explain me ,
1.the subcontracting must happen within the duration of 180 days.
Any particular reason fo this ..??????
Then If excisable material mean what is the process, because we are not going to do the excise duties.
2.As normal material only we are going to proceed the excisable material also in Subcontracting .??
Then what is the major difference ??
Explain me both questions.
Thanks

legally every excisable material should go with either excise invoice or subcontraction challan
so in the case of subcontracting we are sending our material to vendor and geting some work done on it and get back the material.
so accorndong to excise law the material that we have send to subcontractor we should get it back with in 180 days.
when we send our materia to subcontractor on subcont challan there is no excise duty transfer
only we need to track the material subcontracting challan wise how much and when the material goan to subcontract and how much and when did that material came back
this report is called Anexture IV and we get this report in J1IFR
If the material is not returned with in 180 days then the excise duty credit for that material have to be receivsed.
If the material is not excisabel u dont need to creat any subcontracting challan so no need of traking 180 day.
hope this is clear

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kindly help how to sort out the problem.

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3
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what exactly the excise says ______
1) if vendor fails to return material which is excisable then u have to pay excise which u have not done earlier.due to provision of 57f4 challan.
now how u r doing that_____
1 u have to scrap the material which is at vendors end actualy it is ur property
2 u have to create an excise invoice thro J1IS trasaction that means u are selling material to vendor
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__Reversal & Recredit of subcontracting challan.__
Step1- Created sc po
Step2- Did 541 (mb1b)
Step3- Created sc challan (J1IF01)
Step4- Did the GR (Partial)
Step5- Partial reconciliatin of challan (J1IFQ)
When the rest of the finished products arrives , the challan exceeds 180 days.
Now I have to reverse the challan & then have to reconcile the challan.
After I have to take recredit & complete the challan.
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You create subcontracting challan so that you do not pay any duties when you send the components to the vendor ( Subcontractor ). So whn you cancel or reconcile ther will be no accounting entry. Material should come back within 180 days of time frame.
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Hi,
1) Does the system automatically debits the modvat accounts in case the material is not sent by the subcontractor within 180 days. Do I need to enter the amounts in "Utilization Tab"? In the subcontracting challan the duties are shown as calculated on the posting data tab. In the utilization tab the entry for
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3) while doing utilization you can not edit sales value or MM value also ,once outgoing excise invoice d yo subcontractor it will come automatically in utilization.
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We have to cancel the duties in case of time elapsed ( more then 180 days)
Step 1 J1if13 reversed the challan now status showing as reversed
step 2 How to reverse the moment if reversed challan duties will reversed or need to pass JV
step 3 If material expecting to receipt in that case how to take credit agian
J1if13 Recredit optin will allow to take the credit again or seperately in need to take credit if it is yest from which t code
and after taking recredit system will once agin will open the challan for another 180 days or how to see the date due for reversal.
Pl explain indetails if possible attach screen shots would be great help
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Hi,
hi
1. Raw materials are sent to the subcontractor for processing into finish goods through subcontracting challan and in that no excise duty is debit to the excise and this challan includes only approximate value of goods.
2. The subcontractor needs to send back the material within 180 days of receiving the material into subcontractor premises, in case if he fails to send the material within 180 days then the company needs to debit the CENVAT duty, the process as -
If the allotted number of days elapses and the subcontractor has not returned some or any of the materials in the challan (status: Posted or Assigned), you must reverse the excise duty that you have credited to your CENVAT account. The scrap has to be returned by the subcontractor. If it is not returned, the excise duty for the scrap has to be reversed.
This function sets the status to Reversed. From here, you have two options:
u2022 If you do note expect the subcontractor to return the materials, you can complete it.
Complete
1.From the SAP Easy Access screen, choose Logistics u2192 Procurement u2192 Subcontracting u2192 Subcontracting Challan u2192 Complete/Reverse/Recredit.
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u2022 If you do expect the subcontractor to return at least some of the materials, you can leave it as it is for the time being. Then, when the materials arrive, you can recredit the excise duty to the account .
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If a subcontractor returns materials after the return date, you can recredit the excise duty credit that you have reversed.
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u2212 Take recredit for receipts
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