Yamaha 01v vs. apogee rosetta 800?

does anybody have an opinion about the best converter between the yamaha 01v 96 and the apogee rosetta 800?

I will say I have done a recording on the DM2000 and would like to say Yamaha is better than I expected, commenting on how some people don't like companies that make several different areas of products.
I used to be skeptical about Yamaha too, but I have learned to respect them a lot more. A friend of mine owned a higher model Ibanez guitar and then started playing on a mid-range Yamaha. He chose the Yamaha over the Ibanez in the end. I'm not saying Ibanez is amazing, but they are obviously respectable in the guitar manufacturing area whereas Yamaha only recently in the past 5 years or so have started to really show an interest.
On the note of respectable users who use Yamaha. Don Davis uses the O2R96s in his studio. He did the scoring for the Matrix Trilogy.
On the note of converters, my opinion and guess is that the Rosetta 800 will sound better converter wise since it's a dedicated unit rather than the all encompassing 01V96. But then again, I have heard some people saying that they a MOTU's 828 converters over the Rosetta 800.
On the note of this not being a posting for Logic Pro, I would highly suggest going to www.gearslutz.com That is an amazing forum for your needs. I would assume better than what we can offer, but who knows.
~trevor

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Audio to midi error - check conflict with external device - apogee rosetta

hey there
i have a problem and any help is much appreciated..
basically i am running a quad xeon dual 2.66 machine under 10.4.10 and using logic 7.2. 1 gig ram.
i am using a apogee rosetta 800 with the option x firewire card for my audio interface.
whenever i set a track up to record and 'play' logic i get a message saying,
'unable to sync audio to midi check conflict with external device' and then it says something like sample rate 43021 recognised.. something close to 44100 but not quite..
so i think my problem is a clocking/sync one maybe? i have tried everything i could think of, including fixes suggested on the forums here, but nothing so far seems to help e.g making sure autosync in on the transport is unchecked, checking audio MIDI setup.
worryingly with the few problems similar to this on the forums there doesn't seem to be a way to fix it!!
anybody who could help would be a lifesaver.. this is destroying my workflow!! emailed apogee and im waiting for a reply.
thank you very much
richie

Hi,
Ok, then there can be a few more possibilities,
Try this: unplug your Rosetta, and any other FireWire devices you might have. Basicallly you want to start Logic with the internal audio.
If this works ok, then it is not an issue with the Mac's hardware, and is an issue with a FW device.
Then, quit Logic, and plug in the Rosetta by itself. Boot Logic, and select it as the audio interface. Try playing stuff back. does it work? If yes, then the issue is with another FW device. If there is a issue, then there might be a corrupt driver, a bad FW cable, etc. Keep trying one by one to go through re-installing the drivers, and also try changing the FW cable. If this still does not solve it, there might be an issue with the Mac OS 10.4.10. You might need to install Pro App support 4.0. Also, there was a fix available from Apple not so long ago specifically for FW audio devices. Please do a search in Apple's suport site for "FireWire audio device" and see if you find the patch.
If the Rosetta works when it is the only FW device hooked up to the Mac, then you have a conflict with another device, like a FW hard drive, etc... check each one until you find the culprit.
Cheers

No audio input into logic 9 using Apogee Rosetta

Hi there, I've just upgraded to Logic Pro 9 and realized that all the inputs (1-32) are greyed out and unselectable when I go to make an input selection.
I'm using an Apogee Rosetta 800 and didn't have this problem on Logic 8.
Any ideas how to solve this problem?
Thanks in advance.

ADPhoto wrote:
Yes it is checked on. Sorry that wasn't clear in the last post. I tried checked off as well. But from what I have read it should be on.
Software monitoring only needs to be on if you wish to monitor through Logic's audio engine. Most audio interfaces also have a direct Monitoring function which allows you to monitor the inputs of the audio device. Direct monitoring virtually eliminates latency (except for converter latency which is minimal).
So... you've created a -MONO Audio- track in Logic? You then select the track and can see the I/O channel strip on the left hand side of the page.
There are two I/O buttons right above the meter, the bottom is output and usually set to 1/2. The one right above sets the input channel of the Audio device... make sure Record is enabled then select that button, from the drop down choose Input, how many do you show as possible inputs 1, 2, 3, 4?
Play the bass and select each input until you show some input level.
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Apogee Ensemble -vs- Apogee Rosetta (200 or 800)

I am in the market to purchase one of these interfaces.
I would like to hear from anyone that owns either of these interfaces
and have used it not only to record but to also mix out of.
I understand that the Ensemble is a step down in quality than
the Rosetta but would like to hear if anyone has 'heard'
a difference.
I have installed a Rosetta 800 and thought it sounded amazing.
I have also read many good reviews about the Ensemble and it seems like a
really flexible interface with the preamps and the Adat i/o.
I also own a MOTU HD 192 that I dont particularly like the 'sound' of.
I have seen the upgrades for it thru Black Lion but not sure
exactly what they are doing besides isolating the power supply.
Anyway feel free to say what you like...

I had an Ensemble on loan for a week while waiting for my Symphony System with a Rosetta to come in.
I went with the Symphony only because it was supposed to be the better of the two in latency. I know the analog section of the box in the Rosetta is better on paper than the Ensemble as well.
In the real world, in a less than perfect control room (which I have!)....I did not notice a huge quality jump. I can't frankly remember whether I noticed any. In fact, I have often wished I kept the Ensemble because it had nice clean mic pres built in and way more I/O options. It is a great box, and you couldn't go wrong with it.
We all get way to caught up with improvements that are barely noticeable (if at all, consistently) considering that our end product generally ends up on radio, TV, or an iPod.
Can anyone hear the difference in a record made with a Rosetta vs an Ensemble on the radio?
TV? iPod? Less than perfect listening environment? I am betting a real big "no," and for the difference in costs you could buy another mic, or software, or...dare I say...put it in savings.
JMHO.
TH

Apogee Rosetta 200 ADAT multi channel input?

I'm using an apogee rosetta 200 on a symphony system with a G5 running logic pro. I picked up a presonus digimax D8 thinking could use the ADAT output and send 8 channels digitally into the rosetta. I know that's exactly what the rosetta 800 is built for but why, if the ADAT optical standard is 8 channels, wouldn't it see the 8 channels? Maybe it does and I'm doing something wrong. Most likely I'm trying to make the 200 into an 800 for only $300 extra....which sounds ridiculous now that i'm typing it out. anyone ever had any luck jamming 8 digital channels into a rosetta 200?

anagassan wrote:
I have been using an Apogee Rosetta 200 with Firewire as my primary audio interface. The settings are :
Sample rate : 44.1 ; Wide /Narrow lock on ; Digital Output : Analog ; Coda : 24 Bit; Output : Option
It was working fine and the output is perfect but _something happened_ and now I have to turn up my preamp all the way and all other settings to get any output .... and even that is very poor.
My GIO, Internal Mic are working fine so the problem is the Apogee !
Any ideas please ?
Hi,
This "something happened" is probably NOT the Apogee.
Take a look at your signal before the Apogee... there might be "something" that went south there. Mic pad on? Mic / Line switch on your channel is where? Phantom power on? Off?
Especially since you mention the settings... are they exactly the same as before?
Cheers

Apogee Rosetta vs. Metric Halo 2882

I have owned the MH 2882 for 4 years and use it without a mic pre. I'm considering an upgrade and have thought about buying the Apogee Rosetta 200 (i find i don't ever use more than 2 inputs so not considering the 800 - unless someone tells me there's a sonic difference between the two). Any advice? Or Should i be considering the Ensemble or is that a lateral move?

IMHO, and even without ever heard the MH stuff, I´d say you´ll notice an improvement in sound quality providing you already have great mics and preamps, and also good monitoring. But if your plan is to use the Rosetta as interface via Symphony or FW.... well: It works perfectly, but it`s a closed system. There´s no way you can add some other converters to the mix as you can do with the MH, because they don`t offer digital connections (yes they do, but then you can`t use the Apogee converters... so what`s the point?), and it doesn`t work with Aggregate Device neither. Because I had to sold the symphony system (loosing a nice bunch of $$$) and kept the Rosetta800 via ADAT to my RME FF800. Of course the Symphony system is somehow better, but I use lots of I/O and need something I can afford for non critical stuff, esp. when mixing... I record almost everything thru the Rosetta.
just my 2 cents

Connecting yamaha 01v to mac..how??

just wondering what is the best way to connect the yamaha 01v to a mac pro. ie. layout, soundcard?..audio interface??..i am new to this so please be lean on the lingo thanx

Yes, it's a stumper.
I may just cave and try a Yamaha UX-16 cable. Could be sending good money after bad if it doesn't work either, though.
The hosa cable I purchased at best buys I've noticed in online ads some sellers say it works with Mac and others say it doesn't. The hosa catalog itself says it works with OSX and CoreMIDI, but I've not been able to tell for sure if CoreMIDI is something I automatically have or if it's something I have to find and install from Apple site.

Setting up Yamaha 01v in Logic8

Can anyone advise me on how to set up my Yamaha 01v (not 96 version) as a control surface in Logic 8 on my MacPro.
I have looked in the control surfaces set-up and can see that there is a configuration for the 01v96 but not the 01v.
I used to use Cubase SX2 and the 01v worked fine (faders moving on the screen and on the desk, etc) but I cannot work out how to configure it with Logic.
Many thanks
D

Why don't you try OMS for midi. Here is a link to download it:
http://www.opcodeusers.com/opcode/vision.html
The file is down the page, OMS 2.3.8. While your at it, Studio Vision 4.2.2 would run nicely on your 7300.

Yamaha 01V MIDI Controller Map - Any interest?

Hello
The Yamaha 01V classic (i.e. not 01V96) is not supported directly under Logic Pro 8, however a passable workaround should be possible by:
1. Assigning an appropriate set of MIDI send messages to each control change in the 01V.
2. Developing an Automation Quick Access set in Logic to respond to these MIDI control changes.
Do you think it would be possible to make an Automation Quick Access which is generic and thereby would respond intelligently to track re-shuffles, track additions and similar? e.g. fader number one on the 01V would always control the volume of "sequencer track 1" rather than "audio channel 1".
The alternate solution if a generic set isn't available is to set up a template song with a track count requisite to song needs, but this is less than ideal because the number of channels/software instruments/buses etc usually varies between projects!
Would love to hear feedback from interested parties.
Carl

Automation Quick Access is for using one controller, like a mod wheel or slider, to control any current automation parameter.
There is no such thing as an "Automation Quick Access set". There is only one automation quick access parameter to learn.
What you want is to use the controller assignments window to create a set of custom controller assignments. Yes, you can handle bank offsets for faders and things like that. make sure you read the control surfaces manual and section, and understand what modes and zones are, and the available functionality in the controller assignments window.
Doing a "complete" (-ish) controller assignments set correctly implementing bank offsets, plugin parameters, mixes parameters, audio instrument parameters and so on is not trivial, and some of the more sophisticated functionality that you get with the Mackie Control such as feedback and other niceties you can't use wihout a custom programmed control surface module (which only Apple can make).
Also be aware that the controller assignments are vey buggy. Do it carefully, make lots of backups of your control surface prefs (these are only saved on exit of Logic) and take it slowly.
Good luck!

LOGIC PRO 7.2.3 AND APOGEE ROSETTA!!

HELLO EVERYONE!! I JUST ONE TO KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS THIS INTERFASE ROSETTA 800 WITH LOGIC PRO. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LATENCY! WHEN I ROUTING THROUGTH THE OUTS TO MY OUTBOARD GEAR AND RETURN BY INPUTS THERE'S A DELAY BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND THE NEWONE EVEN WHEN I MOVE THE LATENCY SETTINGS. THANK'S FOR YOUR HELP!!
POWER PC G5 Mac OS X (10.4.4) 4X2.5 GHZ PROCESSOR

Hi,
Please remove all caps, sounds like you're yelling and not proper forum etiquette thanks.
I use Rosetta 800, have used it with both the xfire card and now the symphony card. How is yours connected?
If you're using it through the xfire card, in Logic you need to go to Audio Hardware settings and change your buffer down to 128 or 64 and the latency will be less apparent.
There will always be Latency no matter what, it's a matter of getting it to where it doesn't interfere with your work.
Further, when you're tracking, do NOT turn on any effects plugins, except perhaps for a low end low latency reverb for the vocalist. Adding plugins will add to your latency.
If you're using the Symphony card you shouldn't be hearing latency at all.
R

Pro Tools HD or Apogee AD/DA 16X?

Hi I wold like know if have someone with only an Apogee AD/DA 16X firewire systen up to 32 inputs working?
What this performance like a Pro Tools HD systen?
What the best systen?Apogee or Pro Tools?

I have PT HD3 and use foru Apogee Rosetta 800 Interfaces....
They are superior to the conversion that takes place in a digidesign interface...The best choice for you would be to buy a AD16 or two or the Rosettas. The you'll buy a X-HD Card from apogee and put that in your apogee interface....Now, you can connect this interface directly to your HD card and it will be recognized as if it was an 192 I/O
Regards
25G'S

Lingering issues in 8.0.2

Hi, I've been a user of Logic since 1999 -- this is me:
www DOT alexanderperls DOT com
My setup:
Mac Pro, 8 gig ram, Apogee Rosetta 800
Overall I'm pretty pleased with 8.0.2. I'm able to record and use software
monitoring at low latencies, with quite good reliability.
I've got a few niggling problems which I haven't found a workaround yet, I
thought I'd share them here and see if anyone else has...
1) While recording, or while playing with "record armed", using the "punch
on the fly" setting, I have erratic performance with cutting regions. For
example: I will be recording, and while the recording is ongoing, I want to
cut something else in the arrangement using the scissors tool. (Cut another
region that is, not the region I am currently recording) Sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't. When it does work, strangely, it seems that the "Snap"
setting is ignored, and I'm only able to cut on quarter notes. Strange.
2) I am often importing MP3s into logic using "drag and drop". Works great.
Audio file gets put in the "audio files" folder of the song. Audio file gets
automatically renamed into something shorter. For example:
nameof_audio_file_isthis.mp3 gets renamed to something like
nameofaud#E7268.AIF. The problem is that this name is used in the "media"
window, but the audio file copied into the "audio files" folder does NOT
take this name. So, if I move the project folder onto a new drive, the audio
file becomes --lost-- and I must always re-point logic to the original file.
3) "Bounce" key command always bounces stereo -- it does not observe whether
the master channel is set to mono or stereo. So to do mono bounces, I have
to use the mouse.
4) "Quick Swipe" functionality is not useful for me, and there is no way to
turn it off. I wish I could revert to Logic 7 behavior, with "create tracks
in cycle record". Now every time a comp folder is made, I have to unpack it
by hand.
5) Not really bug, more of a feature request. Can we have a key command to
switch a track from mono to stereo?
6) Not really bug, more of a feature request. Can we have a key command to
add a plugin in the next available slot on a mixer channel?

yo...
regarding #1 ... i also just wish that logic would be a bit friendlier with switchin in and out of "record arm" mode, just like a hardware recording machine is. Right now, playback is muted for several seconds if you go in or out of "record arm" on a track... basically logic wants you to stop playback when going in and out of record on a track....
regarding #6 .... I mean I want a key command which is the equivalent of click-holding on the channel strip...... i.e. just "bringing up" the plugin list so I can choose one..... or is there a key command for this already that I'm missing? Or something that can be programmed into my little Alphastrip control surface?

Analog distortion and digital's lack thereof

Djokes wrote:
"analog is distorting - without a doubt - tape decks were like compressors in a way and that is what being simulated by e.g. mcdsp or crane song... However, using no eq or tape deck - the distortion is minimal.... but analog is distorting what is actually there - digital is not - cuz it aint "Seeing" it all....so the distortion will be false...And we dont need to start a discussion about that we like the distortion that analog brings - do we now?"
Let's start one though shall we.
First I fail to see how digital isn't seeing it all. Unless you're talking about inaudible frequency ranges which I will admit may be more important than not. Digital lays it all on the table. No compensation, no analogesque minimal distortion. So this would be a true picture of the audio right.
I mean if you're talking about the nuances of environment then digital still captures that stuff as it's mic'd. The thing digital doesn't capture is the distortion signature of the analog device. Now if you've been trained over decades to appreciate that distortion, hearing digital which lacks that of course would lead one to say it sounds cold.
The question is whether that distortion is the signature of quality music, or whether a talented producer/mixing engineer, can create a signature digital distortion which is either as good or better than analog. I'm a firm believer in the latter though I will admit we haven't surpassed analog yet. But I also believe the answer isn't in trying to emulate analog, but rather using the digital for its own strengths to create something all together new.

then we'd have to start a new topic called what is accurate:-))) Anyway, listening to a guy playing an acoustic guitar live would by many be considered a true source of audio.... So if we have a mic that can actually capture the movements the gas molecules in air makes and translate those correctly into currents - then we can assume that at least the mic is giving us the true source...If the mic "Which it cant" could translate the audio one 100 percent accurately into current the mixing board would only "see" current actually VOLTS and treat those as such...if we were to apply no eqs and no effect at all - the next step of inaccuracy would be your speakers which would have to translate the currents and make the membranes vibrate - which would then again compress and rare-fact the gas molecules in the air - thus making u able to hear it....
The mixing board is treating the current coming from the mic more or less constantly the way it came from the mic - the digital converters are only treating what comes from the mic 44100 times per second - this is why analog is called analog and is seen as treating the signal the way we hear it....
What do we hear - and what is there and what is our brain doing.....
the air that is being put in motion by a source being a true source or speakers is hitting our ears with the speed of sound - our ears are like a mic we a picking up differences in the molecules and our brain is translating it into what we call sound... Digital audio is actually exploiting our imperfections this is why we only need to sample 22050 times per second (Hearing Threshold) - the actually reason for sampling at twice the freq of hearing is because of the problem that causes the low pass filters to be there in the first place...(why the lowpass filters are needed would be too long to desribe)
The reason for 44100 is the hearing threshold of 22050 Hz - I dont really no anyone above thirty that can hear above 18000 Hz and make use of what he is hearing - so why not sample at 16000HZ - or 32000 Hz - the reason is mirroring cuz of imperfect sinuses - and facts of a physical law : There can be no 90° Low pass filter....
An EQ works with phase displacement - what actually happens when u cut 4 KZ by 4 db. is that the original signal is being phase displaced at the freq. u enter - what happens is that those freq.'s are being less amplified - There are physical laws about waveforms e.g. when two waves layer each other at the same maxima you will gain 6 db aka doubling the amplitude...when two waves hit each other where one has maxima and the other minimum you'll achieve complete cancelation...
what really happens when u talk analog dist. is that the sinus(Wavesform) is being distorted so it looks more like a triangular waves form.... This gives us a feeling of loudness and warmth...
If u want your digital mix to sound loud - take the "beautiful" sinus and turn it into a triangle by changing the gain - after that you will see the wave form being cut at the top and bottom but it aint sounding bad - only louder - Unless u overdo it:-))))
There's a lot more to it than what I just described - and it is quite interesting - If u go to amazon.com there are two kind a books about his stuff...1) The book describing it fragmental like I just did and Books that really describing it according to physics....Latter mentioned are VERY dry but if u take the time and have the interest you will find them real helpful and it will also change the way you "Look" at audio and mixing and recording
This is a huge topic consuming man since the day of recording audio...
analog |ˈanlˌôg; -ˌäg| (also analogue) noun a person or thing seen as comparable to another : the idea that the fertilized egg contains a miniature analog of every adult structure. • Chemistry a compound with a molecular structure closely similar to that of another.
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Hi there.....some questions from a new musician (on this forum that is)

Hey!
New guy here......37 year old Swede, living in Los Angeles since 1988......guitar player since age 12. Pretty new to the whole computer recording thing, now working in GB3 and have Logic Express.......Some quick questions.......
A decent audio interface?.......Right now Im running through a Line 6 POD XT PRO (the rack mounted version) It works great, for recording guitars (real) and bass and such, but recently aquired a Roland PC-200 MK midi controller, and the POD does not recognize other midi devices...? (understandably, as it is a guitar thingamagig)
All my buddies do Pro tools, and was thinking maybe going the way of that......I understand the M-box works with garageband and Logic, albeit not SO good as let's say a Presonus Inspire or Firebox......What to do?
Still debating wheter going with Protools or Logic? Positives, negatives please......
I heard that ProTools is more live recording, versus Logic is more MIDI friendly.......? Understanfably you can do EVERYTHING you can do on Pro tools on Logic, I guess the difference is, if youre working with it (I am not) then perhaps if time is an issue, you choose one or the other depending on what works best.......
I sit home, record, Time is plentiful, but do plan on recording a CD (solo material) mostly guitars, bass, midi drums and keyboard and vocals......
Anybody with any input, suggestions etc.... will be greatly appreciated.....
I'm glad to be here!
Stefan

Welcome to the forum Stefan.
You are pretty much right on about Logic vs Pro Tools. Logic is mainly a MIDI sequencer (and the best one at that!) with added audio recording capabilities, while Pro Tools is mainly an audio recording DAW with some MIDI capabilities (I hear that Pro Tools 7 is pretty darn good with MIDI, but haven't tried it).
Regarding the interface, what's your budget? If you have the money and are very serious about recording, I would suggest getting the Apogee Rosetta 800 (or 400). If money is tighter than that (as in my case) I would go for the Presonus Firepod. Best in it's price range by many accounts. If that's too many inputs for your needs, then I would suggest it's little brother, the Presonus Firebox.
You'll also want to check into getting some decent monitors (speakers). All this stuff is useless without something to listen to. And they need to be accurate.
Good luck,
X

Logic 9 locks up when importing a huge L7 project. HELP!

Hi, I have a severe issue with a very important project... maybe someone has a suggestion on how to troubleshoot this? I'll accept anything...
This particular project had over 70 audio tracks, and almost that many MIDI tracks... ALL with detailed plug-ins and automations. The song itself was over 20 minutes. Re-constructing it from scratch really isn't an option. It's time for me to yell HELP!!!
The best way to describe the problem would probably be a bullet list:
o I had Logic 7 on a PPC G5... I've recently upgraded to Logic Studio on the MacPro.
o For MIDI I use four Unitor8's, stacked, with many external synths.
o For audio, I use a (new) Apogee Rosetta 800 interface (I used to use a LynxTwo).
o Logic Studio currently appears to be working properly with all my new equipment.
o I have successfully imported many of my old Logic 7 projects and environments. It is only a particular project I cannot get to work.
o When attempting to open a certain L7 project, Logic 9 will begin processing, giving me the spinning cursor... and remain that way... probably forever, but I have waited up to 10 minutes of this before I force-quit Logic.
o The old L7 project had custom settings for many plug-ins. I've kept my plug-in settings, and inserted them into the new deployment of L9. That being said, I have started Logic 9 by holding control down, thereby disabling the audio drivers... I was told this would alleviate any plug-in problems, and allow for troubleshooting. However, I still get the same results.
o I have attempted to simply import just the environment from the old project. Same result, regardless of which method I've chosen.
o I have attempted to import various single layers of the environment, one at a time, from the old .LSO... no joy, same result.
o The problem is not file corruption... I have redundant copies, and many older versions... all yield the same result.
Not meaning to be critical, but it certainly would be helpful if Logic revealed the problems with imports, or at the VERY LEAST, timed-out with an error of some kind. I get neither... this is weird...
Regardless, ANY help would be greatly appreciated!
-Jaranth

jaranth wrote:
I think you could be right about the plug-ins. I had a bunch of non-Apple plug ins, but other songs from L7 using them HAVE loaded. Anyway, I was told you could bypass plugin problems by holding down control while booting. However, L9 still locks when I do this.
I am going to get this project running in L7 on a friend's G5, then save a few different "dumbed-down" versions to try on my machine.
Sounds like a plan, I just noticed you're running SL so it could definitely be a plugin.
When you hold down control while booting Logic do you get the "launch core audio driver" option?
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