Yosemite down to Mavericks on new machine, possible?

I just tried Yosemite on a couple of machines (including 13' RMBP, 15' RMBP, and Late 2014 Mac mini) in the Apple Store in Hong Kong IFC, but honestly I think the new Yosemite is far from perfect as an operating system, especially for a user that has been using MacBook Air for 2 years.
The question is: Is it possible if I buy a new Mac packed with Yosemite then I downgrade to Mavericks? Is it do-able?
Background: I'm looking for a new machine to replace my home computer, right now I'm interested in the new Mac mini. But I can say the performance of the OS is really not pleasing me, it took 1 minute 13 seconds to boot up (yes, I timed). And I was told by Apple Store people that even higher-spec unit only has 30% performance improvement at most.
Thanks.

My system takes 15 seconds, so either the machine you used was not working properly or you used a really slow watch. The 2014 MBPs both come with Mavericks installed unless they are coming from the factory since the release of Yosemite in which case they most likely have Yosemite installed.
If you have a Mavericks installer for 10.9.5, then you could install it safely on the 2014 MBPs. But you will not be able to download Mavericks now that Yosemite has been released.

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