Zen Micro firmware CIRCLE -Can't update firmware w/out driver, can't update driver w/out firmwa

Hi,
I know lots of peopl are having the same problem. I have a Zen Micro 5Gb. I have previously updated the firmware to the plays for sure (about 2 years ago) and it's been fine.
The device had had the hard dri've replaced after it failed, and I need to reload the firmware. I have all the files, I've read all the FAQ and support I used last time (I keep everything) and my notes from 2 years ago say it was easy.
However. Not now. I figure WMP caused a lot of problems. Right - got that out the way. Fresh installs of XP SP2 is the way to go.
I have also followed the instructions here:
http://http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=3478
But, I keep going round in circles. Can't update firmware without driver, can't update driver without firmware.
Any driver install I try asks me to connect the device to complete the installation, but, it won't recognise the device because there is no firmware. I try to upload the firmware, and it says there is no device (because there is no driver).
I have tried multiple machines, with SP2 installed and only WMP9 (never had WMP0).
I have tried USB , 2, hubs, front ports back ports, again on multiple machines.
I've even used an XP install on VMware on a MAC (This was the closest to success).
On the Mac, The player was recognised even in its flash problem state and I could actually start the firmware update. However, it failed to complete successfully.
Has anyone actually managed to do a firmware update on n old Zen using a 2008 PC? Please help!

If your player had PlaysForSure firmware, you'll need to download a PlaysForSure firmware version. That should resolve your issues since PlaysForSure does not use a Creative driver but rather a nati've Windows driver. But you will need to have WMP0 installed, WMP9 does not support PlaysForSure.

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just purchased my zen micro couple days ago.
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Dear Creative!
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luvmyrescuedogs
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I just get my micro today and I want to know how do I update his firmware. Can anyone help me?

Gop to the Creative download page and follow teh instructions.
http://www.creative.com/support/
Firmware
Title Date
. Creative Zen Micro Firmware .02.05 (2.0 MB) Mar 05 Download Now
This web release enables you to upgrade the firmware for your , 4, 5 or 6GB Creative Zen Micro player. You can upgrade from Creative Zen Micro firmware .0.03 or earlier, or Zen Micro PlaysForSure? firmware 2.00.2 or later. After upgrading, you cannot go back to a pre..... Hide Details
Filename: ZenMicro_PCFW_LB__02_05_PDE.exe
Creative Zen Micro Firmware .02.05
ZENM-FWPDE-2-LB
This web release enables you to upgrade the firmware for your , 4, 5 or 6GB Creative Zen Micro player.
You can upgrade from Creative Zen Micro firmware .0.03 or earlier, or Zen Micro PlaysForSure? firmware 2.00.2 or later. After upgrading, you cannot go back to a previous Creative Zen Micro firmware version.
It has been reported by some of our customers that they have experienced reduced battery life after charging their Zen Micro. Our product development team has researched these reports and determined that the users may have experienced this after they plugged their Zen Micro into the AC adapter that was already inserted into a wall socket with the AC power on.
While this is not the conventional way to plug in a player for charging, we wanted to ensure that our customers did not experience this problem, so we have developed a solution to address this, which simply involves upgrading the Zen Micro's firmware.
If you need assistance in doing this, please contact our customer support team and they will be happy to assist you.
Important: If you are upgrading from PlaysForSure firmware, be sure to back up all the audio and data files on your Zen Micro before installing this firmware update as all content will be lost when you install the new firmware. After installing the new firmware, use Creative MediaSource? to restore audio and/or data files to your player.
Enhancements
Improves the look of the volume control bar
Improves the appearance of the Lock icon
Adds a 4GB option in Removable Disk Mode (for 5 or 6GB players only)
Fixes
Prevents battery drain when the player is charged with an AC adapter already plugged into a li've power outlet
Restores proper functionality after disconnecting the power adaptor or transferring content using Zen Media Explorer
Redirects playback properly when skipping to the beginning of a WMA track
Requirements
Microsoft? Windows? XP, Windows 2000, Windows Millennium Edition or Windows 98 Second Edition
USB port (2.0 or .)
Creative Zen Micro
Note
To install the new firmware in your Zen Micro
Download ZenMicro_PCFW_LB__02_05_PDE.exe.
Connect your player to your computer.
Double-click (filename).
Choose your language.
Click the Upgrade button and follow the instructions that appear.
To check your player's firmware version, see your Zen Micro User's Guide.

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SilentC wrote:
I have a Zen Micro 5G, and would like to buy a Zen Micro Photo 8G as well. Does anyone know if there will be conflicts to install the software (firmware?) on the SAME computer? I had conflicts when I tried to install two different Palm Pilots on the same computer - the software of the first Palm no longer worked properly. Perhaps the new one "overrides" the first? I don't know if this might happen with the Zen Micro and Micro Photo.
Also, does anyone know if the Micro Photo fits into the Zen Micro Traveldock?
Thanks so much for any insight you can offer!
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I believe the microphoto fits the traveldock, but don't hold me to it

Updated Zen Micro Media Explo

I've just updated to the newer zen micro media explorer, so that I could use it with my newly updated firmware. But now I find the explorer missing alot of stuff that was there in the old one? What happened to the neat sorting by artist/genre/album boxes to the left? Right now it just displays the list of mp3s as files, how am I suppose to edit and reorganize my music?
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jasonchewy wrote:mm...well for some reason my mediasource doesn't detect my player anymore for some reason.... I have no way to change the genre and stuff now....well...except if I go into the tag and change them manually...then put htem in...
For MediaSource to detect your PlaysForSure firmware Zen Micro, you have to download and install "Creative MediaSource Plugin for PlaysForSure devices (version .00.8)". However, it will not have the Genre/Artist/Album windows. That is the nature of PlaysForSure firmware whereby the track listing is by directories.

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Hello,
I have a Zen Micro and wondered if there is any way that it can be used through a conventional car cd player (as the Ipod can).
Any ideas ?
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Many car stereos have a line in. If that is available then use that. If not, then you can get an fm transmitter that plugs into the player, and use your car radio to receive the signal. If there is a tape player, then you can use a cassette adapter to transfer the signal from the player to the car tape player. These are the same methods that would be used with an ipod.

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