Zen Stone - are ID3 tags display

Hi,
I am considering buying the Creative Zen Stone 2GB With Built-In Speaker.
I know that it does not allow sorting by ID3 tags, but does it display the ID3 tags in the display when playing a track?
Regards,
Lars

Correction: I mean the Creative Zen Stone Plus, of course?
-Lars

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Sorry if this has been asked before or is really obvious :P
I have a Zen Neeon and the currently playing song appears on the screen as only a title. There is no artist. All my songs are tagged with ID3 v and 2. The only way I can get the player to scroll Artist - Title is by removing all ID3 tags and having the filename be Artist - Title.mp3 (it does not display the .mp3 extension when playing a track). Is this the way it works? I was under the impression from the FAQs and a little snooping that Zens could read ID3 tags? Obviously they can because it gets the track title information out fine, but not the artist. Is there a simple option I'm missing?
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Hey, first of all, thanks for your help, but I'm still in problems.
I have noticed that itunes imports the music files before I alter the ID3 tags (from backup files). However, as soon as I try to add the same file to my itunes library after I have edited the ID3 file (via windows itself), itunes does not add the file to its library anymore. This is happening to a considerable amount of my music. When I try to play the same files in windows mediaplayer, they play without a problem, so I guess the problem is with itunes.
Somebody can please help me out, because I like to be in control of my music, and not itunes,
adios Gregorius

Question about Id3-tags and song managem

Hello, I am getting ready to buy a Zen Touch 20GB in a couple of weeks and I have a few questions about the management software.
(Correct me if I am wrong about something)
) Are songs organized into groups by Genre instead of just folders like on the Ipod?
2) Are Id3-tags used instead of filename for identification?
3) What parts of the tag are needed besides title and artist?
4) Which version of tags does the Zen Touch recognize: Version or Version 2?
5) If I edit my tags using an external program such as Id3-TagIT, will the tags carry over to the Creative software and to the player?
Thanks a lot for your help. I want to make sure I have my music collection in order before I get my Zen Touch.

euph_jay wrote:Ok, so lets say I have all my music in folders right now seperated into different categories on my hard dri've. Some folders denote the artist, some the album, and some a genre. Example: Folder: Chicago Contents: Chicago .mp3 files Folder: Techno Contents: various Techno artist's songs What is the best way of organizing my folder system, so that the transition will be easy to the player?
Folders are pretty much irrelevant. What the software will do is look at the *tags* in the files and then use these to build the player's library.
Will imbedded folders work on the player? (like Techno->Crystal Method->Cystal Method .mp3's)
Again the player has no concept of folders, although if you set Techno as a Genre tag you will be able to view via this in the Music Library.
Or, am I misunderstanding how music is stored into the mp3 player. Instead of storing music in a "folder like" system (like the Chicago folder or Techno folder), does it store all the songs individually on the device? Then you have to sort it by artist, album, or genre?
Using your example, in the Music Library you have essentially three categories: Album, Artist, and Genre. So under Album you would see "Vegas" (the Crystal Method's album), under Artist you would see "The Crystal Method", and under Genre you would see "Techno" (and then either the album or artist under this... I forget which it is offhand).
Make sense?

ID3 Tags Questions

What are id3 tags and which versions should I use? In iTunes, I have versions: 1.0,1.1,2.2,2.3 and 2.4. Which is the best for burning MP3 cd's to play in my car? Also, even though my car has an MP3 player, it sometimes has trouble reading the songs and it doesn't work but when I use AAC audio cd's it works all the time, but I can only put 10 songs on a cd. ThankS!

What are id3 tags
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and which versions should I use?
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4) Is there a list somewhere online that shows what data is stored in the library file (settings unique to the iTunes) and what is universally in the standard ID3 tag in the media file itself?
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Ogg Vorbis uses "Xiph Comments" (same as later versions of FLAC and Speex), which are embedded into the Ogg container. You can find information on these in the comment and container specs on www.xiph.org
AAC uses yet another tagging format, which does not at present have a published spec as of 3/1/2006.
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http://www.id3.org/Frames
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Direct copy/paste from the specs page for your player:
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"hyjack".... a perfect word.... I can't operate any of my programs when it's writing these tags.
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I've got 60,000-plus MP3 tracks, collected over a decade, that were encoded by a variety of apps on Macs and PCs. The tracks look OK in iTunes on a Mac, but on an iPod touch, many songs are missing artwork, and others display the lyrics in garbled "mojibake" characters.
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Is there a way to make iTunes assign ID3 v2.3 to tracks so as to overwrite the corrupt tags without going through the steps I've outlined? If not, is there an app out there with the mojo to fix these corrupt files?

If the song is in iTunes, and it is in a playlist that you auto-sync your Touch to, then the only things that might cause this problem are:
1- Is this new song un-checked in iTunes? If your Touch is set to sync only checked items that would prevent it from syncing. If that's the case, just enable the checkmark next to the new song and re-sync.
2- Is this playlist a smart playlist that is forced to be limited in size? If so, there is a bug with the 3.1.x OS such that smart playlists that are limited in size will have different contents (and sorted differently) when you compare the playlist on iTunes vs. on the Touch. The solution in this case is to disable Live Updating in the smart playlist definition, then the two versions of the playlist will agree.
3- Is the new song tagged as "Skip when Shuffling"? If so, and if your Touch is in shuffle mode, then the song count in the playlist will not include songs that are designated to be skipped.
See if any of those three things are what is going on. If not, then perhaps you need to reset or restore your Touch, but I doubt that.

Wrong ID3 Tags On Zen To

Hi!
I have a problem with writing ID3 Tags directly on my Zen Touch player. If I save info for example about artist to file that is already on player then this info is visible but it isn't correct. Random button do not add this file to playlist, and if I download such file to computer than there is no info in ID3 tag.
I think that it might be problem with new firmware but I can't back to the old one.
Please help!

[size="2" face="Helv">[size="2" face="Helv">- When you edit (say) the artist of the file in your MP3 player, the tag info of the file (in your MP3 player) is not updated. Only the database in your MP3 player is updated.
- When you transfer the file from your MP3 player back to PC Music Library, the PC Music Library will be updated with the artist info that you have made in your MP3 player. However, the tag info is not updated.
- MediaSource v3 and above allow you to update the artist info in the tag based on the artist info that you see in the PC Music Library for that file.
- Launch Creative MediaSource Oragnizer.
- Go to Tools->Settings->PC Music Library and click Properties. Set your preferred folder and file naming convention. Close the setting page.
- In the Sources window, click to view PC Music Library.
- Go to View->Right Panel View and select to view your MP3 player.
- Transfer the tracks from your MP3 player to MediaSource's PC Music Library by clicking the arrow pointing from right to left.
- If you have updated the track information of the tracks in your MP3 player, the updated track information will also be imported into the PC Music Library database. However, the tags of the files are not updated. Here is what you need to do. Right click the PC Music Library node in the Sources window or right click on any tracks in the PC Music Library window and select "Update Tag". This will update the tag of all the tracks or the selected tracks with the track information as seen in the PC Music Library.

Zen mx 16gb player not recognising id3 tags.

,zen mx 6gb player not recognising id3 tags.I recently bought a zen mx and so far can not get it to recognise over half of my mp3's id3 tags. All of the files are drm free. All of the unrecognised files will play but get stuck in the unknown artist unknown album catagory on the player. I have tried retagging the files in several diffrent tagging softwares and upgraded my player to the newest firmware and nothing seems to work. I had a creative vision m 30gb before I had this player and it never had this problem. I contacted customer support but they didnt seem to have any idea what an Id3 tag was and offered no relavent advice other then upgrade your firmware witch was upsetting to say the least. If anyone has any idea how to fix this that would be awesome. I feel like I just wasted almost 80 dollars.

0Re: zen mx 6gb player not recognising id3 tags. It's just aggravating because I used to talk the company up all the time. The older creative zen's where awesome. They played every file that I had with the exclusion of open source formats like ogg witch is understandable because I'm sure that there is not much demand for that.
I wouldn't be half as upset as I am if I felt like the support people where offering decent suggestions or even an explanation of what may be wrong. I mean are there certain id3 tags that are not recognised? At least try to explain why it may not work to me so that I can fix the problem without having to re-tag every cd that I have purchased since I was fourteen. I don't think I'm going to buy anything from them again until I see that the quality of there products is getting better. Maybe I should write a review on Amazon to warn people away, after all the majority of the music that its having problems with was downloaded from Amazon.com.
Btw if your haning the same problem as me kid3 is a program that will retag your files to this players satisfaction. Not that helps if you have a large volume of music but its at least something.

ID3 tags messing tremendously up on ZEN MX

Hello,
I'm a long time creative user, and had many creative mp3 players up through the years. Never had a problem, and always been greatly satisfied.
But with my latest purchase of a Zen MX I'm a bit confused about the way it handles id3 tags of mp3s.
My main issue is that it doesn't seem to read it properly. It doesn't care about track numbers, and plays my audiobooks in a total shuffle.
Also, when I try to update the tags, the are updated correctly in all my players (foobar, wmp, winamp, vlc) but when I transfer them over to the ZEN MX, it somehow fails to update the player, and the files are still stuck with the old tags, before they were updated.
Ususally I simply transfer the files through windows explorer, but since that didn't work, I've tried to use Creative Centrale, but that's even more hopeless: not finding all the files in an album, also not registering the changes I've made, etc.
Has anyone else had similar issues, and come up with a sollution?
I tried searching the forums, but couldn't find anyone with this problem in particular.

I am having the same problem.
Another long time user (prefering creative over ipods!) and never had any problems with transferring audiobooks onto my player.
Got given this MX for christmas when my last Vision M broke but can not get any audiobooks onto the player in any meaningful way
I cut a book into about 70 mp3 tracks. In my old players I could just transfer them using explorer. I would keep all the artwork, artist and files names and they would be in order.
With this MX I loose all the tag details and the MX will not recognise the "Audiobook" genre
The tracks are in some random order (and shuffle is NOT on)
Track numbers have been lost as well.
Artwork details has been lost.
Artists details have been lost.
I use my mp3 player for audiobooks and think that this beautiful player is worse than useless and I dont have the heart to tell my children who bought it for me.
I have tried to change the tags once the files are on the player but nothing works. I have used MediaJukebox, Media player, Explorer and Creative central. All to no avail.
Is there some software update that will fix this problem?
Please help.
John

Songs cut off. someting to do with id3 tags and how they are encoded?

Something very disconcerting is happening; tracks are being cut off before they should. Slowly more and more songs are being 'eaten'.
One correlation does seem to be that they are all encoded with iTunes v4.0.1 and have id3 tag: v2.2. Unfortunately I have no idea what, if anything, this means or what to do about it.
The 'time' display of the song is changed to the point where it cuts off rather than it's true length. I have tried changing the stop time (song info, options tab) but it does not allow me to make it longer.
Currently iTunes 9.0.2 (25) is being used. This problem spans over several updates.

Thanks Mike,
Usually I do get info on a whole album, but I found that doing this for individual songs allows you to view the sorting info, and it was this that was causing the problem - All the sorting info has to be exactly the same for each song within an album for it to sort properly on an ipod. It's weird that the sorting was fine within Itunes, but not on the ipod, but anyway this seemed to solve the problem.

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Any of the music on my Zen 4gb flash player itself can show the ID tags without any problem.
But, if I put that same music on my SD card and put it into my Zen player and play the music, it shows up as a combination of chinese characters and gibberish.
I've tried formatting the card into different file systems and nothing seems to work. The file names of the songs show up correctly, it's just that the ID3 tags are somehow corrupted.
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I have the same problem with files on the card.
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Are anyone else's ID3 tags all jacked up after upgrading to iTunes 11?

I have a large library that I'm downright OCD in managing tag information. All are set at v2.4 and genres, album artist, groups, both track and cd #'s as well as album art have been MANUALLY scrubbed religiously upon import to ensure a manageable library. I've noticed in the past that iTunes does a fairly horrible job in actually changing the ID3 tag info of the AAC or MP3 file itself resulting in horrible tag info when using the files in another system (Chrysler's MyGig system, Microsoft's Sync system, etc.) but iTunes always listed the songs correctly, making my smart playlists, sort and playback very easy and clean. That is until I upgraded to iTunes 11. Apparently they've re-read all the file ID3 tag info as I now have MANY different genres listed and album artist info has disappeared as well as track listing info. Do I need to get an external tag editor and redo all the tag editing I had done previously to now clean this up or have they fixed iTunes to do a better job of actually editing the file info itself?

Get Info on the song within iTunes is how I know the comment field is empty.
I don't have Match or iCloud enabled.
All other tag info is there and left untouched, only the comment field is blank. Tried removing and re-adding the tracks multiple times, but that didn't help.
Reason this annoys me is that I add information to my comment field such as additional genre/style information, band origin or location, related artists, etc. Very helpful stuff for smart playlists.
I can try Stephen Spark's suggestion to convert my ID3 tag version, but I've never, ever had to do that before, so, if iTunes 11 is suddenly only reliably reads one correctly it seems to be a bug with iTunes.

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