ZEN V PLUS - Depleted Batte

I bought a Creative Zen V Plus (pink version)?for my neice for her birthday on 7-2-2007. She only used it a few times and then it stopped working. Recently I was wondering why i haven't seen her using it so i asked her. She told me that it hasn't been working for a while. So i had her bring it o me to see what the problem is. I am a little familiar with the Creative MP3 players because i have the Zen M 30gb and i also purchased 2 more ZEN M 30gb for my brother and sister and also a Zen V Plus (black and green) for my nephew. So as you can tell i love the Creative brand. I am not sure what is wrong with my neice's Zen V Plus. When i try to turn it on it won't turn on. So i plug it into the computer using the USB cable that it came with. Here is what it does when i connect it to the computer.
1. Blue leds lights up under the play button.
2. Then the blue leds turns off and then turns back on.
3. Then the led flashes again and then my computer detects the mp3 player and ask if i want to sync.
4. I click No for syncing.
5. Then the mp3 screen shows the battery on low with the red chunck on the battery. Then the red chunck turns green and then the battery starts to ncrease to /4 full then half full then 3/4 full then it shows the completely full battery icon/symbol ***All this happens within less than minute.***
6. Then the blue leds turns off and the battery image on the screen disappears.
7. The icon on my computer shows that the mp3 player has been disconnected.
8. I push a button on the mp3 player to see if it is still on. When i do that the full battery icon appears along with the blue leds.
9. I goto the side and turn the player on and then the screen turns on then goes to the docked icon.
0. As i wait a little bit the screen turns off and then the blue leds turns on again and flashes (showing me that it's charging).
. Then after a few seconds of blue led flashing, the leds turns off and stops flashing.
2. I push scroll button again to see if it's still on, and it is.
3. I then goto support page to update the firmware. I follow the processes as stated on?Creative site and completed the update successfully.
4. The player restarts after firmware update, and computer lets you know that update is successful, but it still won't turn on.
5. It does exact same thing as it did before. I repeat steps -2. Same things occur.
6. When i unplug the USB from the mp3 player it turns off immediately. i press the play button with the USB connected to make the screen turn on and then unplugg the USB to see what would happen and it also shuts off immediately.
7. I have also tired letting it stay connected to the USB over night and over the weekend with my computer staying on. Hoping that it might charge up?but still nothing.?I contacted Creative and they gave me a few things to try that i have already tried and still no luck. The last option in that list of things to try was to request a RMA (which basically consists of me paying $25.00 for them to diagnose the problem because i only have the 2months hardware manufactures warranty left) in which i am hesitant to pay for because it seems to be a commmon defect in the ZEN V and ZEN V Plus. I have been reading around and it seems like the problem?might be that?the battery might be on the verge of being dead or is completely depleted. I have read alot about people with similar symptoms with their players and it seems to be very common with the battery.?My neice probably only used it less than 5 times. And its been sitting in her room for months because she didn't know what to do with it because it stopped working. My little nephew's ZEN V Plus i acting up also. He says it's not working again. So I will be taking a look at it sometime this week too. I?tried being as detailed as possible so that u guys can better understand the situation. Hopefully someone knows a fix to this and help me fix it without having to cough up another $25.00 PLUS SHIPPING AND TAX to have then take a look. But i can't resolve the problem within the next week or so then i guess i will have to send it in.
Message Edited by jack36 on -08-20072:42 AM

reset it then cleanup>reboot theplayer http://forums.creative.com/creativel...ap&thread.id=3

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Zen Stone Plus 4GB - Hiccups / Skipping with new firmware 1.01

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Hello ZNP friends and fellow victims of frustration,
I have the GB Zen Nano Plus and a Windows XP operating system. My Zen is just over 3 months old, and a few days ago I started having the "stuck on Logo or hour glass (building library) problem". Like many of you, it has frustrated me beyond belief in my attempts to correct it. I'm certainly not a computer whiz, but I'm fairly good at following clear, numbered, valid instructions. I have tried many of the offered cures for this problem as provided in the discussion forum. None have worked for me.
I have just stumbled onto/into the fix for the WON'T START / RECOVERY / RESCUE problem. At least, I hope it lasts. The bad news is that I don't know or remember the steps for the cure. The good news is that the problem can be fixed. In the frustration of trying a million variations on the steps offered in the discussion area, I happened to fix my nano plus. I was becoming like a hyper zealot playing a slot machine.
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6) Then I loaded a song, disconnected the device from the computer, put in a battery, and it started fine.
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****** UPDATE*********
Thanks for everyone's suggestions.
Since I didn't want to spend more time to fuzz over a defecti've product, I returned my Zen Stone Plus to Amazon (I did this because I know sending it to Creative would take much longer time before I receive a replacement). Amazon sent me a new one in about 3 days at no charge (and free return shipping). The new one works fine now and does everything its suppose to do (so far...).
Just like I wrote it when I posted the problem, I tried different time intervals and it still wouldn't turn on. I couldn't have lock the unit because it requires power on to turn on the lock (which I was unable to turn on the unit).
The lesson I learn here is think about the product's customer support and where I am buying from before purchasing anything online. I would definitely think twice before buying Creative's products again.
Message Edited by misellu on 08-05-200702:2 PM

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One might want to read this thread..... right here..... http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=dap&thread.id=2477
You know, the one that is stickied.....
More specifically, this part.......
"Battery - Lithium-Ion Polymer
#. Battery won't charge "out of the box" new player.
A. First, read above "Getting Started"
B. Next, try a different USB mini cable.
C. Next, there is a battery manufactuer's failure rate < %, in which the Lithium-Ion Polymer battery refuses to charge.
Creative, ships the Zen MP3 players with no charge so there is very small probability that? you could have one.
I call it the "Deep Six Discharge Battery" Call / Contact Creative.
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Sometimes this action does not reset the player properly but there is no indication to you that the player is charging.
Just disconnect/connect the USB cable again.
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There is a reason why that thread is a sticky guys. You're supposed to read it.

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