Authenticated Users Group Question

I have a quick question regarding the Authenticated Users "group". I used to be a systems administrator, but I'm a bit rusty since I've been a software developer for the last 10 years. A conflict with data center operations (DCO) group
at work lead me to get another opinion.
The question is this... is the authenticated users group a domain-level group or is there a local authenticated users group that would allow only users authenticated locally? We have a share that permits the authenticated users group access.
My opinion is that all domain users who have authenticated successfully have access to this share. The DCO group is telling me that this is the local (to the server containing the share of course) authenticated users group only.
Is there such a thing as a local-only authenticated users group? To me this doesn't even make sense, but I could very well be wrong.
Nathon Dalton
Sr. Software Engineer
Blog: http://nathondalton.wordpress.com

I apologize. I don't think I explained myself correctly. Let's consider the following...
SERVER: SERVER1
DOMAIN: DOMAIN1
SHARE: \\SERVER1\SHARE1
SHARE PERMISSIONS: Authenticated Users - Full Control
Given the above information, is it possible that the Authenticated Users group will allow ONLY users that are defined on SERVER1 to access \\SERVER1\SHARE1?
My understanding is that's not possible. There's one defined Authenticated Users group and that represents ALL users that are authenticated against DOMAIN1, whether added to local groups, shares, etc.
What I'm being told however is that SHARE1 having Authenticated Users assigned is okay since only those user accounts defined on SERVER1 will be able to access it. All the users in the domain will NOT be able to access it. I think this is bogus. Am I wrong?
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