BPM's purpose

Hi ,
what is BPM's.. what is the purpose of BPM's with out BPM's also we can able to do the scenarios then why every one are preffering BPM's..in what situation we need to go for BPM's..
can any one explain this briefly..
Thanks
Babu

Simple message processing on the Integration Server is stateless. This means that the Integration Server does not know of any connections between various messages.
BPM, on the other hand, describe related processes, which can use the knowledge about messages that have already been processed to further control the process.
As for scenarios that can be done using BPM,
1. Consider a case when you need to say collect ten files and then start processing, you need a BPM
2. Consider a case, when you need to collect info from 2 different SAP systems and then start the processing, again a BPM is needed.
3. consider a case, when you perfrom some validation of your payload, and then on the basis of the validatio need to perform different mappings and neeed to send info to different comm channels etc , a BPM would help.
Performance is a concern with BPM, it is a very important issue to be taken into account.
With Regards,
Vidya

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is my understanding correct?
Yes, thts correct
if yes,then does that means we can we any of the above mapping in our scenario
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Send Context will be used by Receiver determination, if you will give it in Send step then accordingly receveir deteermination will process. Here the Message will go to fixed receiver
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>>>why i m making just one abstract interface even my sender and receiver are different
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>>>why i m makin that one abstract interface make use of target message type of mapping
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