Characteristic relationships with derivation. I don't quite understand...

Hi, experts!
I'm trying to figure out all about using derivation in characteristic relationships and even though I seem to generally understand what it's for, some moments are still unclear.
Let me describe the task: I have, for example, 10 item categories, all of them are in the real time info-cube. I have unique combinations for them, which are loaded into the DSO and I'm trying to create char. rel-ps based on that DSO.
In the first aggregation level I'm using only the first 3 levels of item categories. The other 7 are not included.
Let's assume I've planned my key figures for those 3 levels, and saved the plan. I need the system to distribute (disaggregate) the values among the remaining 7 category levels, so when I open another plan, based on an aggregation level that includes all 10 item categories, I would see all the data correctly and all the necessary combinations.
As I understand, in that case I need to have characteristic relationships with derivation.
But SAP demands that all the "target" characteristics should be held in the "Data Fields" section of DSO. And therefore they won't be key fields.
I don't really get it - why should they be "data fields"? If I use them as "Data Fields" in the DSO, I won't be able to load all the possible combinations, because in some cases these 3 item categories that are the keys of the DSO, will match, only the remaining 7 will be different...
How do I solve the described task?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Andrey

Hi Andrey,
derivation is a function, given the source fields the derive functions fills the target fields. In other words, given a relation with two characteristics A, B with A source and B target the derive function F modeled in the relation 'calculates' F(a) = b with a, b members of A,B, respecitvely. Since F is a function for a given a there are not two differen b1, b2 with F(a) = b1 and F(a) = b2.
Using a derivation relation modeled in a data store the function F is defined by the active table of the data store. So A has to be the key and B has to be a an attribute (non-key). If this is not the case and A, B are key fields you can have the combinations
A    B
a    b1
a    b2
and this is by defintion not a derivation relation, but an n:m relation.
On other words derivation fills redundant fields.
It seems that you want to do just the opposite. It is a common problem to plan on a 'higher level' and to disaggregate from the higher level to lower levels, but of course only valid combinations should get values. You can use planning functions or the disaggregation feature in the query. Characteristic relationships are used to model the valid combinations.
An example is as follows: We have Product -> Product Group -> Product line, the arrows indicate a derivation relation. The query uses all three characteristics in the aggregation level but has only Product Line and Product Group in the rows. Using disaggregation in the query changed key figure values will be disaggregated to Product (and maybe other characteristics used in the aggregation level). The system uses characteristic relationships that can be applied for the aggregation level to check the consistency of the records. Observe that a derivation relations can also be used to check the consistency of a combinations if both source and target fields are filled. Observe that for disaggregation of the above mentiond fields are filled and thus can and have to be checked using the derivation relations (and maybe other modeled relations).If 'access mode for result values' based on characteristic relationships is used in the query the relations can also be used to create all valid combinations needed for disaggregation.
So you have to check whether the constraints you need are really of type n:m, then all fields have to be key in the data store or whether you have a derivation relation. By the way, derivations can be combined as in the Product -> Product Group (first relation) and Product Group -> Product Line (secdond relation) example.
Regards,
Gregor

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I am not using 0CALMONTH in my level/layout.
Question1 : When I save the layout by changing the key figure, the system creates another record with what ever the changes perfectly but it is not copying all the characteristics that were in the original line. One example of this issue is for characteristic relationship object.
Question2 : I do have the problem with other characteristics that NOT in the level since I am not using it but when I make a change for key figure in the layout and save it , it is not copying to the new line with all the characteristics.
Can I design this way? If yes why the values are not copied over to the new line? Any user exits where I can check / debug during the layout save?
I do not have any problem when I use standard BPS copy function, have these problems during the layout save.
Thank you for looking into it , appreciate any inputs......
Raju

Thank you Mayank. Very helpful/excellent. I think I am very clear/ all set , I will solve some of them by using derived charaterstic relationships.
One more important questions : How can We provide a solution where We can not use a particular characterstics at level because of the agrregation behavior of the layout and can not be derived ? but while We save the layout We need to get those characterstics like copy function does copy all the characterstics even if they are not in the level.
Is this make sense ? may not be valid question ? any thoughts ?
Appreciate your help.

Characteristic relationships with derivation. I don't quite understand...

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