Comparison between ODI and Enterprise Service Bus (ESB)

Hi,
As per my knowledge Oracle has provided two infrastructures, namely ODI and ESB for migrating data across applications.
My query is where I should use ESB and where ODI. Is there any comparison document available? I heard that for bulk data movement ODI is suggested by Oracle. Is there any benchmark exists for comparing these two tools?
I also want to map these tools with Oracle E-Business suite's conversion process. Is it possible to map each stage of a traditional Conversion Process (Data Loading, Validating, Importing to Oracle EBusiness Suite) using these tools?
Any kind of help/idea will be very much appreciated.
Regards.
Tapas

I also think that same way. I do not know what is so apecial about BEA Aqualogic ESB and other market matured ESB products such as TIBCO & SONIC. The samples which BEA has given in their evaluation guide are very simplistic. BEA should do more to provide extensive knowledge/features about their Aqualogic line of products.

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BEA has previously sold WLI 8.1 as an ESB. See e.g. http://dev2dev.bea.com/pub/a/2004/12/soa_ibarra.html
Now that AquaLogic Service Bus has beed launched, it seems that the two products have much in common and some overlapping functionalities. E.g. both products have support for messaging and transformations.
For me it seems that the role of the two is not clearly defined.
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The tecnology is same i.e HTTP,SOAP,WSDL.
But there are some governance rule for defining an Enterprise Service and it can be defined only in ESR(using business objects, process components etc).
There are no such governance rule for defining a web service. You can simply write a mehtod/functional module to add two nos and expose it as a web service . But would not be called as Enterprise Service.
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What is SAP ESB (Enterprise Service Bus)?

Hi fellow sdners gurus I have been reading threads about SAP SOA and ESB.
I do not want to start a debate on wether XI is an ESB, but more of a statement to what is SAP ESB (if XI it is, then be it).
1) What is SAP ESB (Enterprise Service Bus) today (I could not find a clear answer to is)?
2) Who uses this SAP ESB in production currently and what kind of environment (i.e. strictly SAP backend systems, or combination of various vendors backend systems)?
Can someone share some light on this topic?
As a reminder, an ESB is expected to exhibit the following characteristics (source Wikipedia):
     It is usually operating-system and programming-language agnostic; for example, it should enable interoperability between Java and .NET applications.
     It uses XML (eXtensible Markup Language) as the standard communication language.
     It supports web-services standards.
     It supports various MEPs (Message Exchange Patterns) (e.g., synchronous request/response, asynchronous request/response, send-and-forget, publish/subscribe).
     It includes adapters for supporting integration with legacy systems, possibly based on standards such as JCA
     It includes a standardized security model to authorize, authenticate and audit use of the ESB.
     To facilitate the transformation of data formats and values, it includes transformation services (often via XSLT or XQuery) between the format of the sending application and the receiving application.
     It includes validation against schemas for sending and receiving messages.
     It can uniformly apply business rules, enriching messages from other sources, the splitting and combining of multiple messages and the handling of exceptions.
     It can provide a unified abstraction across multiple layers
     It can route or transform messages conditionally, based on a non-centralized policy (i.e. no central rules-engine needs to be present).
     It is monitored for various SLA (Service Level Agreement) threshold message latencies and other SLA characteristics.
     It (often) facilitates "service classes," responding appropriately to higher and lower priority users.
     It supports queuing, holding messages if applications are temporarily unavailable.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Jean-Michel

PI or XI is the ESB from SAP side. PI is not a full pledged ESB on a reference model of ESB idea but it is the the framework SAP provide as a ESB product.
A Standard Based ESB Reference Model should fullfil the following features in a framework.
ESB Features    Service Enablement Phase (1, 2, 3)
1)     Message brokering between heterogeneous environments
2)     Supports asynchronous, synchronous, publish and subscribe messaging
3)     Supports synchronous and asynchronous bridging
4)     Supports message formats of SOAP
5)     Support for message format of SOAP with attachments
6)     Support for xml message
7)     Support for structured non-XML data
8)     Support for raw data message
9)     Support for text data message
10)     Sport for e-mail with attachment message
11)     Heterogeneous transports between service end points
12)     Supports for FILE protocols
13)     Supports for FTP protocols
14)     Supports for HTTP protocols
15)     Supports for HTTPS protocols
16)     Supports for Multiple JMS providers
17)     Supports for RMI protocols
18)     Supports for web service protocols
19)     Supports for CORBA protocols
20)     Supports for DCOM protocols
21)     Supports for E-mail (POP, SMTP, IMAP) protocols
22)     Support for advanced transformation engine
23)     Support for configuration-driven routing
24)     Message routing based policies
25)     Support for call-outs to external services to support complex routing
26)     Support for point-to-point routing
27)     Support for one-to-many routing scenarios
28)     Support for request response model
29)     Support for publish-subscribe models
30)     Service monitoring
31)     Service logging
32)     Service auditing with search capabilities.
33)     Support for capture of key statistics for message and transport attributes including message invocations, errors, and performance, volume, and SLA violations.
34)     Supports clusters and gathers statistics across the cluster to review SLA violations
35)     Support for service provisioning
36)     Support deployment of new versions of services dynamically through configuration
37)     Migrates configured services and resources between design, staging and production
38)     Supports multiple versions of message resources that are incrementally deployed with selective service access through flexible routing
39)     Configurable policy-driven security
40)     Supports the latest security standards for authentication, encryption-decryption, and digital signatures
41)     Supports SSL for HTTP and JMS transports
42)     Supports multiple authentication models
43)     Policy-driven SLA enforcement
44)     Establishes SLAs on a variety of attributes including
a.     Throughput times
b.     Processing volumes
c.     Success/failure ratios of message processes
d.     Number of errors
e.     Security violations
f.     Schema validation issues
45)     Initiates automated alerts or enables operator-initiated responses to rule violations using flexible mechanisms including
a.     E-mail notifications
b.     Triggered JMS messages
c.     Triggered integration processes with a JMS message
d.     Web services invocations with a JMS message
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46)     Support for having multiple LOBs manage their own service bus based on their policies, and a service bus at an enterprise level that could act as a broker for sharing services across the various business units.
47)     Support for agent plug-in to support following features
48)     External providers service access for security
49)     External providers service management
50)     External providers transaction container
a.     External providers business orchestration (BPEL Engine) and business work flow service container
51)     Transaction support on message level
52)     IDE Integration
53)     Open standards

Enterprise Service Bus and ESA

Hi ,
I like to know, how to realize Enterprise Service Bus in the Enterpise Servise Architecture?
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Lemin.

hi there,
for an introduction have a look <a href="https://www.sdn.sap.comhttp://www.sdn.sap.comhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/d86cf1a4-0701-0010-409d-c568b1d2519e">here</a>.
For more in-depth information search <a href="http://help.sap.com">SAP Help</a> for XI & BPEL, e.g. <a href="http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/ce/1d753cab14a909e10000000a11405a/frameset.htm">this</a>.
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Hi,
Question 1:
In David Chappell's book 'Enterprise Service Bus', the Sonic ESB is described. He says that the ESB is more than a hub-and-spoke integration broker: ESB is a MOM and above that several 'generic' services, which handle the traffic and routing on the bus, for instance:
- Transformation service
- Content based routing service
- Orchestration service
- Splitter service
- Etc.
Is this concept adopted in ESA? If so how is this functionality implemented?
Question 2a: does XI uses xCBL as a XML-dialect?
Question 2b: does XI make use of the canonical-XML concept (by using xCBL) ?
Thanks in advance!
Greetings Theo

As answer on question 1:
No I never found any documentation from SAP that described a ESB solution. So al the knowledge must come from other vendors in your case from Sonic.
But there is hope you can use XI in a ESB way. You must only (add) configure the ESB parts. This is done by adding a service repository for example the UDDI server in combination with some BPML engine.
By adding it al together you can execute your business processes over multiple system platforms using SOAP in a synchronic way.
This is the basic concept of a ESB.
The answer to question 2.
I dont know if XI has build in support, but a know that there are free tools that can handle Canonical XML. So you can make a service your self to handle the Canonical XML documents.

Practical Enterprise Service Bus Use Cases for SOA & writing for Dev2Dev

Dev2Dev has just published:
Practical Enterprise Service Bus Use Cases for SOA
http://dev2dev.bea.com/pub/a/2006/06/service-bus-use-cases.html
"What is the role of an ESB within SOA? In this article, Kenny Shin provides some practical advice, illustrating how an ESB adds aspects such as transport security, data validation, and messaging patterns to Web services"
Check it out. If you'd like to write for Dev2Dev, please contact me - I have plenty of ALSB topics to choose from.
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Jon Mountjoy - http://dev2dev.bea.com/pub/au/13

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How to map business process and enterprise service?

Recently, I read some documents about ESA. I'm confusing about the relationship between business process and enterprise service. In other word, how to map the business process to enterprise service after the business process is analyzed? Is there any methodology/rule to define business process and wrap them into service in ESA?

Hi Sherry,
I like to add some of my thoughts about that discussion. From my point of view ESA is much more than just another BPM or Enterprise BPM. ESA is adresses six key areas and I think all of them are really needed:
- People Productivity as the word itself describes...it's about portals and productivity.
- Embedded Analytics has to integrate transactional and analytical content.
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- Service Enablement is about a Enterprise Services Repository filled with business meaningful Enterprise Services and service patterns for enabled objects. Excactly this is where SAP has years of experiences.
- Business Process Platform is about service enablement of all application platform objects and engines. This is the place where "BPM" for core business processes resits.
- Life-Cycle Management has to cover the deployment, configuration, operation and change management for ESA based processes.
Therefore the term "BPM" is located in serveral layers of an ESA approach. On the level of Business Process Platform BPM is providing the choreography for core business preocesses.
At Service Enablement BPM needs to compose out of granular services (I would say "atomic" services)
buiness meaningful services (here we have "molecular" services).
The third level where BPM could be used is Service Composition because exactly this is the place
where serveral Enterprise Services could be combined to a process representation.
To come back to the discussion:
1. The question should be how to indentify business meaningful services which could represent single process steps. ATP check, Credit card check, ... could be examples. In theory this service could be out-tasked, defined more flexible etc. This means that processes needs to be evaluated for Enterprise Service candidates. Afterwards you can check against SAP's Enterprise Services Repository for already existing Enterprise Services. The evalution for enterprise services candidates will be supported by the metodology mentioned by Kaj and David.
2. I think domains in this context should be motivated by business and/or functional areas. Depending on the granularity. For example Order Fulfilment Services, Master Data Services, Search Services... These kind of serices can be combined again to services such as "Search of Master Data" (Search Service + Read Master Data Service) etc. or can be used to generate UI to be used in a ESA application.
Your thoughts?
Very best regards
Wulff

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As answer on question 1:
No I never found any documentation from SAP that described a ESB solution. So al the knowledge must come from other vendors in your case from Sonic.
But there is hope you can use XI in a ESB way. You must only (add) configure the ESB parts. This is done by adding a service repository for example the UDDI server in combination with some BPML engine.
By adding it al together you can execute your business processes over multiple system platforms using SOAP in a synchronic way.
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The answer to question 2.
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We are trying to find out if a concept we designed will work. Our goal is to publish a full business object e.g. BUS 1065 (Employee) to the Enterprise Service Bus (Tibco JMS technology).
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Dear forum members,
We are trying to find out if a concept we designed will work. Our goal is to publish a full business object e.g. BUS 1065 (Employee) to the Enterprise Service Bus (Tibco JMS technology).
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