Flex and JSP tutorials and articles?

I found one that doesnt really answer most of my questions: http://cookbooks.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=showdetails&postId=7746
I am looking for more information on setting up flex applications that can sit ontop of JSP pages and utilize the code to interact with the back end data base to display, gather, send and retrieve data. I like the whole "not having to refresh when new data comes in" concept.

It depends on how Flex is getting the data, and how it's generated. If you refresh the page, then the Flex app will be reset, and won't have any knowledge of previous data. One thing you could do is store the data on the server and access it via some web-service calls (eg AMF or REST). The server could manage the user's session, store data, and generate or retrieve previous data.

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    [email protected]
    Paul Horan
    Cynergy Systems, Inc.
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    http://www.cynergysystems.com
    Office: 866-CYNERGY
    "TKJames" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Hi all.
    >
    > I am new to Flex. I am acting in an architect capacity
    to review the
    > potential
    > in Flex to become the client presentation layer for a
    classic ASP?SQL
    > application. I am seeking a cross-browser,
    cross-platform,
    > zero-installation,
    > just-in-time-delivery, rich user experience web
    application client. I
    > think I'm
    > in the right place.
    >
    > My aim in creating this post is to solicit feedback on
    approaches and
    > techniques on how to plan and execute a major-system
    re-write into Flex,
    > what
    > is in-scope and what is not, etc. With the Flex team
    putting the final
    > touches
    > into release 1.0, this might be considered a bit too
    soon to ask these
    > questions, but worthy of response if Flex is to be take
    as anything more
    > than
    > ?something to do with that flash games thing that my
    kids play on?.
    >
    > One of the key issues for my client company, which I
    believe will be
    > typical
    > for many in the same situation, is to retain current
    investment in the
    > system
    > by re-use of the business logic and DB access layers.
    Basically the
    > back-end is
    > not broken and is well prepared for generation of XML
    instead of HTML.
    > What is
    > considered weak, by nature of the web browsers poor user
    interface
    > abilities,
    > is the client side of the system.
    >
    > The company has a small, loyal and technically able
    workforce who are very
    > familiar with the current system, which is written using
    classic ASP and
    > SQL
    > Server , HTML and JavaScript. The company is risk and
    runaway cost
    > averse. It
    > has held back from jumping into .Net for fear of getting
    into a costly 5
    > year
    > revision cycle as .Net matures. The AJAX approach is
    another potentially
    > fruitful client-only route but is likely to be a painful
    way forward as
    > there
    > is no major technology vendor leading the charge on
    standards. A Java
    > approach
    > would meet the user interface improvement needs but
    would require
    > replacing or
    > retraining the current workforce and a paradigm shift in
    the technology
    > losing
    > all of the middle-tier database logic.
    >
    > The ideal is a stable zero-installation web-client that
    can communicate
    > with a
    > server back-end consisting of the same, or slightly
    modified or wrapped
    > business logic and db configuration as the current
    system and that could
    > then
    > run side-by-side during switchover.
    >
    > If this is possible then risk adverse organisations have
    a way forward.
    >
    > The problem is, that from several docs and articles on
    Adobe's web site,
    > there
    > seems to be some careful but vague positioning of the
    capability of Flex
    > in
    > terms of application complexity and depth. Also, the
    demo's that are
    > available
    > seem to be quite lightweight compared to real-world
    needs. These apps
    > ?seem? to
    > work in a mode where the entire application is
    downloaded in one-hit at
    > user
    > initiation. The assumption is that the user will be
    prepared to pay some
    > wait
    > time for a better UX, but there must be a limit.
    >
    >
    Question:: How does one go about crafting in Flex what would
    have
    > been
    > a 300-page website when produced in HTML? Is this
    practical? To create a
    > download containing the drawing instructions and
    page-logic for 300 pages
    > would
    > probably cause such a delay at user-initiation that it
    would not be
    > practical.
    >
    > There are many further questions that span from here,
    but lets see what we
    > get
    > back from the post so far.
    >
    > Looking forward to reading responses.
    >
    > J.
    >
    >

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