Force run for workstation associated apps

Today I tried deploying the groupwise client as an MSI app. I scheduled the app for between 5:00pm and 5:10pm (just for testing) , associated the app to a workstation with Force Run and Application Launcher enabled. I was logged into the desktop of the workstation so I could watch the process as it happened. had NAL up to make sure the application icon showed up.. it didnt show up until 5:00pm, which is fine (even though Always Show Icon is checked)... the problem was.. it didn't start installing automatically.
After messing around with different settings, it appeared the only way I could make it work was to check the "force run as user if workstation associated" box was checked. It would then seem to auto-install somewhere in the time slot.
This doesnt seem right to me... as there must be a point to the force run for a workstation association by itself. Tried bumping the version, etc..
Thanks for any tips or explanations

Shaun,
Thanks. So let me see if I understand. The workstation helper starts before you even login to the workstation.. so if you force run an app associated to a workstation, it should run at the login screen.. but only if you have the "distribute in workstation security space" is checked (because its an MSI). Right?
If its not checked, then the app wont get installed when Workstation Helper starts.. even after the user logs in, because the workstation helper has already decided it cant run it. Correct?
Thanks for your help.. so many lil quirks and want to get it right

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