Hi iam completed OCP exam pending is HAND ON COURSE any body give the information about HANDS on COURSE for OCP Details. I had completed Oracle 10g DBA course in HYD wilshire techonologies this certification is helpful for HANDS ON COURSE for OCP. Please give the details Clearly.

787725 wrote:
Hi iam completed OCP exam pending is HAND ON COURSE any body give the information about HANDS on COURSE for OCP Details. I had completed Oracle 10g DBA course in HYD wilshire techonologies this certification is helpful for HANDS ON COURSE for OCP. Please give the details Clearly.Sometimes 'Helpful' is not enough .... See http://blogs.oracle.com/certification/2009/04/are_you_getting_your_training.html
If your training isn't an authorized course from an authorized provider it won't help.
Yours was possilby an WDP course.
The problem is there can be some bad people out there.
The company you mention may or may not be okay .... and the WDP program can sometimes be difficult to see:

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  • Help..Oracle could not trace my WDP hands on course for OCP 10g

    Dear All,
    Can somebody on Oracle (OTN team) could help me to validate & check my WDP hands on course as below detail :
    Class Name :
    Location : CV Informit Indonesia
    Student Id : 62156
    Student Name : Zulfirman
    Schedule : 25 March 2011 - 10 April 2011
    (10 sessions @ 3 Hours)
    I have put above information on VUE, but then come up an email response from oracle asking my hardcopy certificate course.
    I have contacted the INFORMIT, they said it takes 2 up to 3 month to get the certification from OU indonesia.
    Since it take long time to get the training certification, I come back emailing the oracle to ask for speed up, then they said they need to check further about my training detail.
    FInally they come up with an email that asking me to ask INFORMIT to email the oracle confirming that i have already completed that course.
    Worstly, i have not in that city anymore where the INFORMIT located, but i drop informit an email just now to forward oracle request to them.
    Question :
    1. Can someone help me to validate my training instead of waiting oracle with the emailing back - forward ?
    2.Why ORacle unable to trace my detail WDP class above ? Is it because of a cheap WDP training so they dont provide a connected server between WDP training provider & OU or Oracle headquarter ?
    3. The Hardcopy certification for WDP student take too long. What is the std lead time for WDP student to have thier training certifiaction ?
    Thank You,

    user4761616 wrote:
    Hi Brandye Barrington,
    they didnt provide me an exam voucer. For your info, i have already passed all the exam required for OCP track.Which is an indicator of something not right. Mabe not your fault. Maybe the Institution. Maybe WDP.
    My goal to get this training is to refresh me about the topic & to claim my OCP status.
    you can check my exam history using my ORacle Testing ID (or Oracle Certification Program ID): XXXXXXXXXXWell you've just 3.2 (iv) No Misconduction of the http://education.oracle.com/education/pdf/ocp_candidate_agreement_V0810.pdf of the agreement you make before taking this exam by disclosiing your Oracle Testing Id to another person ... aka the whole internet!
    For your info,
    I hve just got confirmation from my WDP training centre (Informit). They have emailed "[email protected]" to confirm that i have officialy registered with WDP training centre by showing to them (them = oracle) the screen shot or print screen of regsitration form from WDP website, where my name alrady been registered inside the WDP system.
    Ho Ho Ho !! The WDP training center are well enoughton the ball to know that email address have been withdrawn. ( http://blogs.oracle.com/certification/2011/03/email_alias_ocpexam_wworacleco.html ).
    Perhaps that document does show a registration number.
    Now i can only wait, wheter oracle still could not accpet that email from INFORMIT as a proof or i have to wait for my certification hardcopy (take 2 or 3 months ahead)
    Emails can be faked. And I am reasonably certain a percentage of WDP Training centers would not apply the rules properly if they could get away with it.
    If i still have to wait for the scan hardcopy certification, then for sure, i really upset with ORACLE, due they could not manage best communication & sychronization database between ORACLE - WDP TRanining Centre, & me as a unlucky candidate due to their bad communication on both system.
    IMHO I can see from this and other threads that WDP or the training centers fail to publish clear and precise information of what is involved so the students can authoratively check on an oracle website. IMHO The WDP Traiing centers have a degree of control which they can use to mislead students.
    And I assume you have access to the following :: https://workforce.oracle.com/pdf/html_rd/wdp_stu_reg.html?wdp0 ... and if not why not ? ( I dont .. i am not WDP).
    If ORACLE is a great database company, then they must already predict such issue in early as possible instead of waiting such complaint raised in.
    Oracle is Great. Larry is Great. Any Oracle RDBMS version with a zero in it may be a bad vintage.
    But IMHO you may be right wrt WDP.
    Again, Pls help me on this..
    Besr Regards,
    Zulfirman,PMP,OCAWhen one does training at OU the attendance is properly recorded and there are nless real issues with attendance not being recorded.
    With WDP institutions as far as I can tell this is not perhaps as well auditted and there is perhaps room for shenanigans; faked attendance, etc.
    As far as i know when WDP was started (oracle 9i) the students used to have to attend the whole track of a specially constructed coiurse to get the credi ( I used to call it a never mind the quality feel the width training). And the training was spread to ensure the pupil had time to absorb the training. And it might be taught by non Oracle Professionals. WDP can however now be used for a single session set of part of track being sufficient for the training requirement (This may be simply a never mind the quality appreciatethe cheapness approach).
    This may all seem off topic for you.
    However please realise Oracle Certification (whcih operates independently of WDP who do there own thing) need to establish training has been properaly attended. And if there is a loophole many WDP candidates wll rush towards it.
    This however does give me a chance to kick Oracle to ensure WDP has its house in order.

  • Hands on Course for OCP

    Hi All,
    I am planning for an OCP certification in DBA stream Oracle 9i.(Already done with OCA).
    I have got to know that apart from 1Z0-032 and 1Z0-033 , I need to take hands on course.
    Please guide me on the queries:
    1. How to complete this hands on course ,its duration and charges for this.
    2. Is there any limit for time span for completing OCP certification ,starting from 032 and completing hands on course.
    Thanks in advance..
    Saket Bansal

    Hi Saket
    1. You need to attend any Oracle University course. The list of courses you can find in the below link:
    2. There's no any limitation. But try to check " [Oracle Certification Exam Retirement|http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=206] " for any retired exam
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  • Reg: Hands on Requirement for OCP Certification in 10G

    Hai all,
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    You can take a required course not only at Oracle University, but also from the Oracle Authorized Center.
    See the details from the following links

  • Is any Discussion Forum for OCP certification

    Is any Discussion Forum for solely for OCP certification? If it is available please guide me to get it.
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    Which OCP certification are you wanting to discuss?

  • Complete the Course Submission Form for OCP certification

    Hallo!I am an Oracle newbie currently studying for the Oracle 10g Administration OCP exam.
    From my research,I have gathered that for me to obtain my OCP certificate, I must Complete the Course Submission Form where I must confirm attendance in an approved hands-on Course undertaken by an Oracle Accredited Training Institution.
    I am studying privately for the OCP exam.
    How can I get my OCP certificate in this state?

    807913 wrote:
    Hello ,
    I'm new to this site and I'm planning to do OCA and OCP Certificate on oracle 11g.
    I have an 1.5 years of experience on oracle as a DBA role,
    But i don have certificate to prove that,
    So please can u send me OCA and OCP course materails for to my mail id.
    Or else send me the proper link to download the files and please guide me to how to proceed,,
    I ll be waiting for the good and useful reply.
    Thanking You
    [email protected]
    1) Please read :: http://blogs.oracle.com/certification/2009/05/the_route_you_choose.html
    2) http://www.oracle.com/education/certification
    We, well certainly I, really hate it when people publish a link asking ofr information in this way. At best you will most likely get unauthorized learning material or material in breach of copyright.
    And part of the process is learning to seek out hte material for yourself. The DBA needs to do this.
    Hopefully careful study of the above links will put you on the right path.
    Edited by: bigdelboy on 05-Nov-2010 15:37 (Actually this thread hiack is a duplicate post. How I hate duplicate posts too).

  • Oracle Workshop II LVC  for OCP Certification Price

    Hi all ,
    here is a serious question that Customer Service from France,UK or the US can not answer me , I call them all but no answers!!!!.
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    so living in France I can just go ahead and register for that LVC training with the trainer language of my choice ,this having Romania as my home country ,pay the fees of 1,056$ , take my training online and therefore satisfied for the hands on course requirement ????????
    If any one can tell me please do so??? thanks in advance.
    ps: I'm just a student having hard time to afford that training and thus searching for ways to make it.. thanks Cyrille

    user647922 wrote:
    because let say I only understand English and I live permanently in France , .....ce n'est pas bon, mon ami, vous pourrait être pris pour un tour!!! ;-)
    More seriously I don't think there has been any issues with people going to a different country to do training. Indeed some people will have had to have done it because it was not offered or was not offered at a convenient time in their own country.
    However Oracle charges differently for the same course in different contries, and differently for different locations in the same country. At least a proportion of this relates to the expense cost of the location, and some probably relates to an acceptable price point for the country in question.
    Obviously some have done it for economic reasons; and i have seen training offered by companies on this basis.
    Lets take a example, lets say bigdelboy decides to take a dataguard course. He looks at the price for London UK and he looks at a price for Bangalore India.
    Now the price in India is about 1/3 of that in London. however for bigdelboy there's the airfare to think about, the travel to think about, bigdelboy might have to consider travel innoculations and hotels and not knowing the area, and no logistical chance of a satisfaction guaranteed repeat and maybe even a visa to think about. (Whereas perhaps for bigdelboy's work colleague 'Fred' who is native to India and has family in Bangalore has a different cost/risk/benefit consideration).
    (Thereagain if bigdelboy was prepared to take 4 * 5-day course consecutively the cost/risk/benefit might be different .... mind you one 5 day course at a time is enough to make the head throb).
    Overall students will occasionally squeal about this but most can appreciate (at least to some extent) different pricing in different countries.
    However with LVC's this looks a little different.
    Obviously LVC's are priced similarly to real classes.
    Obviously if I could buy an LVC from Bangalore at 1/3 the price of one from London while sitting in the parchment makers supping a lemonade then I'd probably go for the LVC from Bangalore!
    Anyway this would drive a big torpedo through the Oracle University cost model and cause a lot of fall out.
    - I've never taken one but would probably be concerned about it being less effective than classroom training.
    There are probably some other good reasons for keeping an LVC within country though, these may IMHO include:
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    - Less risk of internet delays / disruption to individual class members.
    - Possibly issues with payments for services between countries.
    Quite frankly IMHO Oracle University have little option but to impose this LVC from within country rule to seriously disrupting their training organisation or seriously increasing prices in some countries. In fact if they were forced to drop this rule they might well be forced to discontinue LVCs.
    Basically the business people at Oracle University are not totally stupid and have calculated that if the allow people 'residing' (whatever that is defined as) in high cost counties to take LVC's delivered low cost countries they are likely to have significant problems and they will ensure this does not happen. I suspect people trying to circumvent this could have their course stopped and course fees foreit.

  • TOD course for OCP

    I've passed 1z0-051 and 1z0-052 exams then got OCA degree. I'm going to prepare for 1z0-053 exam.
    But my company paid for ORACLE DATABASE 11G: PERFORMANCE TUNING DBA RELEASE 2 - TOD for me.
    Does this course allow me to get OCP certificate?
    Edited by: J. C. on 19.07.2012 0:31

    Training-On-Demand courses meet the requirements for hands-on training:
    +"Please note that only instructor-led in-class, online, or recorded courses (includes Live Web Classes – LWC, Live Virtual classes – LVC and Training On-Demand courses) from the approved list of Oracle University courses count toward the training requirement. Self Study CD-Rom and Knowledge Center courses are excellent study and reference tools but DO NOT meet the Hands-on Requirement for certification."+

  • Hands on practice for OCP 10g

    Hi all… I don’t know whether I am posting this message to a wrong forum.
    Though I am not a regular writer here but I used to get knowledge through this forum. Next week I am going to do OCP 10g administration paper II but I have some doubts. I know that only after finishing this exam I will not get certificate until and unless I do the hands on practice course. Do I have to do this course after clearing exam or before? Now I am working in UAE here all educational courses are not affordable so can I do this in India I mean is it possible to write the exam in one country and do the hands on practice in different country? Is there any time limit which I have to finish these hands on practice after clearing this exam? Hope I will get the needful…Thanking you all…
    [email protected]

    You will not get the OCP certification until after you have completed the course requirements. There is form you need to fill out in order to show you have met the requirements.
    As far as a time limit, you generally have until the exam is retired in order to meet the requirements. Oracle announces the retirement dates for exams well in advance.
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  • Which web page explicitly tells us about the hands-on requirement for OCP u

    (Kind-a in a rush, so I have not done an exhaustive search.)
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    Pages searched so far:
    - http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=44
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    - http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=198&p_org_id=&lang=
    The above page is for fresh OCP and does not discuss OCP upgreade at all. (It DOES discuss OCM upgrade.)
    - http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=82#5Q1A (FAQ)
    This is now generated and no longer searchable. However the section on "Completing the Course Submission Form" does not include/exclude upgrades from requiring a new course attendance.
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    Certification Forum Moderator wrote:
    You bring up a good point that this should be made clear on our upgrade page that training is not required for certification upgrade. We'll make that notation on this page to be more clear.Personal feeling is that training IS required to approach the upgrade exam. But I admit I am biased. ;-) perhaps something like:
    "A hands-on course, such as the Oracle Education 'New Features' course for DBAs is highly recommended when preparing to challenge the OCP upgrade exam. However the candidate does not need to submit a Course Submission Form to apply for the OCP Upgrade after successfully completing the upgrade exam and meeting the other prerequisites."

  • Hands on requirement for java certification

    which java certifications do exactly have an hands on requirement?
    because if i look here
    it says i just need to take the exam to become certified. other certifications have assignments and more exam but nowhere is an hands-on requirement listed (that i could find)
    however if i look here http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/show_desc.redirect?dc=D61748GC10
    it says "This course counts towards the Hands-on course requirement for the Java SE 6 Developer Certification. Only instructor-led inclass or instructor-led online formats of this course will meet the Certification Hands-on Requirement. Self Study CD-Rom and Knowledge Center courses DO NOT meet the Hands-on Requirement."
    So my question is where exactly can i find which certification has which hands-on requirement. i wouldn't want to start on the self-study (or a non-official course) just to find out that i need the real course to get my certification.
    Edited by: 881933 on Aug 27, 2011 8:23 PM

    Without looking at specifics .... i am not massively up to speed with the Java certifictions, one key point is the the hands on requirement is about to change.
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    Some pages cannot be updated until 30th december passes.
    Oracle University Courses and LVC courses are appropriate for certification: (CDROMs purchases online though are not):

  • For OCP certification

    Hi all,
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    please help
    Edited by: anandk on May 25, 2011 4:22 PM

    anandk wrote:
    Hi all,
    I wish to take OCP examination for Oracle Application Server 10g Administration 2 soon.I have completed OCA.Also OCP exam requires pre-requisite instructor led training to enroll for OCP exam from an Oracle certified institute.There no Oracle certified institues institutes for middleware in the place I live.So can I skip this instructor led training and straight away give OCP exam...would I get certificates , logs etc ??
    please help
    Edited by: anandk on May 25, 2011 4:22 PMThe OCP certification requires you take the training course, the exam itself does not.
    There is actually nothing to stop you enrolling and sitting (intl english appearing) for the exam. However if you pass you wont be certified until you take the requisite training and have it verified.
    There is no way you will skip training and still be awarded the certification
    I would have thought OAS is now superceded by weblogic and is in the twilight of its life. And there are probably diminishing numbers of courses for it ... but you seem to be lucky ....
    there also be Oracle University LVC (online) classes that apply ..... (ie one does not have to get ones favourite train (eg Darjeeling express or ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_named_passenger_trains_of_India ) to get there:
    From my inspections of http://education.oracle.com there appear to be relevant LVC online classes for asia (Please check carefully to ensure the classes are suitable .. ie not later version weblogic ones).
    Rgds - bigdelboy.

  • Hands On Course Requirement for OCP(DBA)-Level certification

    I HAVE passed 1Z0-051 , 1Z0-052 AND 1Z0-053 EXAMS.
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    Or anything else , What is best for me?
    and what is cheapest for me?
    Is hands-on course taken is mentioned on OCP certifiate?

    Brijesh_Kumar_Tripathi wrote:
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  • The course I did to gain OCP certification in Oracle Database 11g does not appear on the courses submission list on the website of pearson vue.

    The course I did to gain OCP certification in Oracle Database 11g does not appear on the courses submission list on the website of pearson vue, I sent an email to [email protected] from < email address deleted by moderator >, without an answer in 7 days since 01/28/2015, the email is below, the title of my course is in Portuguese.  What should I do in this case ?
    Dear Oracle.
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    Oracle Testing ID:  < deleted by moderator >

    Sorry, I expressed myself badly.
    When I access http://www.pearsonvue.com/oracle/course/ and start submission process  of the course, in the first step “Select the track for which you have completed a certification requirement” I selected the option “Oracle Database 11g Administrator OCP”, in the second step I selected “ILT = Instructor Led Training”,  but when I got on the third step “Which course or requirement did you complete?”  I have to choose the course name that I did, the course name that I did does not appears in that list, so I do not know which one to select, even having at the end of the form the option “Other ...(Course or requirement is not shown above. Please enter title below.)” the course name I did is in Portuguese/Brazil, the name is “MBA em gestão de banco de dados oracle” in Portuguese, which in English would look like "Graduate in Oracle Database Management".
    I sent an email to [email protected] containing the information that I found necessary to obtain certification.
    But if I have to do the process in the pearson vue site, should I put the course name in Portuguese or in English ?
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    Thanks for the help, and sorry for my english !

  • Purpose of instructor led training requirement for OCP?

    What is the purpose of requiring OCP candidates to take an instructor led course? It all seems a bit random / superfluous. Costly too if one does not have an employer willing to pay for the training.
    My Oracle Press "OCA/OCP Oracle Database 11g All-in-One Exam Guide" doesn't even hint that classes are a requirement for the OCP; the most said is: "The OCA qualification is based on two examinations; the OCP qualification requires passing a third examination." (pg. XXIX). An incomplete characterization, correct?
    And "To prepare for the OCA/OCP examinations, you can attend Oracle University instructor-led training courses, you can study Oracle University online learning material, or you can read this book." (pg. XXIX). Prepare for the exams, sure. But why would such a book omit the not insignificant detail that a perhaps expensive course is required to get the OCP? Seems discourteous to the reader.
    From http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=244#5 via http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=198&p_org_id=&lang=
    I say it seems random and superfluous because of the following list:
    "These foundation courses meet the Hands On Course Requirement for OCP-Level certification:
    * Oracle Database 11g: Introduction to SQL
    * Oracle Database 11g: Introduction to SQL Ed 1 LVC
    * Oracle Database 11g: SQL Fundamentals I
    * Oracle Database 11g: SQL Fundamentals l Ed 1 LVC
    * Oracle Database 11g: SQL and PL/SQL Fundamentals
    * Oracle Database 11g: SQL and PL/SQL Fundamentals Ed 1 LVC
    * Oracle Database 11g: Develop PL/SQL Program Units
    * Oracle Database 11g: Administration Workshop I
    * Oracle Database 11g: Administration Workshop I Ed 1.1 LVC
    * Oracle Database 11g: Administration Workshop II
    * Oracle Database 11g: Data Warehousing Fundamentals"
    A modest Intro to SQL course will count? But an OCA will already have that knowledge. Obviously, one should choose a course with higher-level content. But I'm not sure I understand the logic of the OCA-grade courses being eligible. And for those funding certification without financial assistance from an employer, the question that suggests is this: what is the least expensive way to satisfy the "instructor led" course requirement? I cheapest price I see from Oracle is a 3 day class costing $1,800. It would also cost 3 days of vacation time, or unpaid leave, if an employer is not supportive of certification.

    Dana N wrote:
    Thanks for your thoughtful reply Hans.
    TO expose the candidate to techniques related to the new features rather than traditional techniques that are commonplace in the industry.That makes sense to me. But many of us like to tinker with new features on our own.In my experience, many, many more people want the OCP without doing any work. Some will use pure memorization or out and cheating to get there.
    It's unfortunate that you and I get penalized by those.
    And to ensure that the has had at least some hands-on time, instead of only pure theory. While some people may get hands-on at work, many others do not
    have that opportunityh, especially in the are of new features.Then it might make sense for OCP certification to allow submission of proof of work experience in place of the HOC, as is the case with other professional certifications.
    Yes, that would be nice.
    But difficult to verify. and you would be surprised how many organizations have very narrow definitions of the job. Experimenting not allowed in some places.
    It all seems a bit random / superfluous. Sad, from an instructors and OCP's point of view, to hear you think of it that way.I don't mean to say there isn't anything new any of us couldn't pick up, say, even from an Intro to SQL course. There's a vastness to most technology topics and we can't master every facet. But the cost/benefit ratio may be terribly low for those who are already Oracle professionals with many years of on the job experience. The reality as well is that some instructors are duds--that's the case anywhere. And for my learning style, I prefer self-guided / on-my-own study.
    Costly too if one does not have an employer willing to pay for the training.No doubt.
    My Oracle Press "OCA/OCP Oracle Database 11g All-in-One Exam Guide" doesn't even hint that classes are a requirement for the OCP; the most said is: "The
    OCA qualification is based on two examinations; the OCP qualification requires passing a third examination." (pg. XXIX). An incomplete characterization, correct?A topic to discuss with the authors, and publisher. We (the user community with whom you are talking) have little to no control over this.Wonder if the authors participate in these forums. I realize you, as a user, have no control over this. But a book blessed by Oracle via Oracle Press, I respectfully submit, can and should do better--by including details about the HOC requirement.
    Some do. But much more effetive would be to lodge a formal complaint or inquiry.
    "These foundation courses meet the Hands On Course Requirement for OCP-Level certification:
    ...All of which will ensure you have had time becoming acquainted with SQLPLus, DBControl, and perhaps SQLDeveloper.I already use all 3 tools. Would love to take all the courses listed; but I'm not independently wealthy or otherwise.
    So would I. ;-)
    As well as logging in (you would be surprised how many OCA candidates do not know how), these all give you an opportunity to issue SQL and PL/SQL
    commands. Scary, but seems beside the point. The HOC requirement is one solution to this problem, but it seems like a sub-optimal one. Again, this punishes Oracle professionals already working in the field who'd like to become certified. Why is there no regard for them? One way to correct this, if this is a genuine concern on Oracle's part, is to include a "live" aspect to the exams. Then, if this causes a fail, those who flunk might be interested in taking HOCs to remedy this. In this day and age, I'm certain training could involve interactive SQL*PLUS sessions, etc. Only a failure of imagination and will could prevent I suspect; particularly in a world of virtualization. I'd consider a redesign of exams before I'd require people to pay for classes they may be unable to pay for. It's a bit of an insult to working Oracle professionals who want to add certification.
    I agree to some extent. Again, the issue is the consistency in experience. I have met people with 10 years of experience, and others with 10 times 1 year of experience.
    A modest Intro to SQL course will count? But an OCA will already have that knowledge. I wish this was consistently true. Then I mispoke. But the HOC still punishes existing Oracle professionals.
    I sympathize. I'm an independent, and all exams and certification costs come out of my own (corporate=me) pocket. But life in the professional fast lane is not
    cheap. This topic has been the source of some contention for quite some time.
    Unfortunately a number of people have been unscrupulous in their method of getting certification - cheating, using gunners, and so on - and I see this as one of
    the few ways to combat the issue. If the cheating issue is just left alone, the value of OCP (and any other certification) is effectively lost.The unscrupulous, I'm afraid, will always be with us. This problem is not solved, I'm also afraid, by requiring a costly HOC. It is in my opinion one potential solution of many, and not at all the best one. I wonder how other vendors with certifications handle this. I do know that some industry-generic certifications require proof of X years of work in the field (e.g. GISPs), as well as providing proof of various contributions to the field. This could be gamed as well I suppose. But the honest should not be punished along with the dishonest.Basically I agree with the sentiment. Implementation is the issue.
    Bottom line: in my view, a few alternate solutions to the HOC are:
    1) Allow submission of work credentials to substitute for the HOC
    2) Incorporate hands-on aspects to the exam, e.g. a SQL*PLUS simulator.
    I'm sure the brilliant minds at Oracle, or a suitable contractor, could easily accomplish #2. And #1 might be a true bar-raiser. It seems highly unlikely to me that, say, requiring an Intro to SQL HOC course raises the bar more than a few millimeters.There have been many discussions around this. Several of us have even considered non-vendor certifications as a route to accomplish this.
    It is an imperfect world. But hopefully the steps will correct some of the deficiencies.
    I am sure Paul and the rest of the Certification team would be happy to hear more feedback on how to implement practical verifiable real-world experience alternatives to the HOC that do not increase Oracle's costs.
    Since both are unlikely to happen any time soon, what is the least expensive option for the HOC and where do I find a list of courses and institutions that offer them? In my view, Oracle should provide this information as a courtesy. No reason not to unless there is a revenue motive; and the author of the blog posts you sent me assures us the addition of the HOC is not a revenue enhancement maneuver. I'd be more inclined to believe it if those words were backed-up with helpful actions like the one I've proposed--since such a thing seems not to exist.All courses and course locations are available through http://education.oracle.com (and have been available for years) as well as the price. Oracle's policy does not allow for much price variation for education. The exception is when bulk purchased are negotiated, which is outside what you and I can talk with them about.

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