Hot backup without rman

i read someweher but confusion,i paste it here
When that happens,the non-Oracle tool might read a block in a half-updated state, so that the block which is copied to the backup media might only have been updated in its first half, while the second half contains older data.This is called a "fractured block". If this backup needs to be restored later, and that block needs to be recovered, recovery will fail because that block is not usable.
The 'alter tablespace begin backup' command is our solution for the
fractured block problem. When a tablespace is in backup mode, and a
change is made to a data block, instead of logging just the changed
bytes to the redo log, we also log a copy of the entire block image
before the change, so that we can reconstruct this block if media
recovery finds that this block was fractured.
my confusion
firts time changes we log the entire block image and after that changes bytes are applied only .redo log file also copied by OS and suppose it comes into situation where first half of block is copied and during that second half block is changed after that OS copy the second half ,a mismatch in head and tail scn,then how it is not fractured block?
tks & regards
umaisi

If you try to copy e.g. with file system tools, yes.what do you mean by file system tools.
i am not clearing the picture i again try to clear the picture please clear me!!
i have confusion when we start online backup the block may be in fractured mode
when copying block from datafile,but why the block is not in fractured mode when
copying block from archive log file.The reason is that before changes in a block
LGWR writes whole block to the log file and after that again any changes in the
same block will record only those chnages.
ok it is clear to me.
confusion now come here
suppose i start online backup and start copying datafile and archivelog file from os ,
1)i modify a block 'A', LGWR first time writes that whole block 'A' to log file before changes.
2)now copying the file is in progress for that block 'A' it copy the block 'A'
first half due to os capability .
3)during that i again modify the block 'A' its second time modifiation and only changes are applied to log file.
4)OS comes to copy the remaining part of block 'A' now this block 'A' second part changed.
now how it will be consistent?why it is not fractured like it is fractured with the case of copying datafile but now with archive log file why not it is frctured?
next problem is why for online backup archive log should be enabled?
SQL> shutdown
Database closed.
Database dismounted.
ORACLE instance shut down.
SQL> startup mount
ORACLE instance started.
Total System Global Area 171966464 bytes
Fixed Size 787988 bytes
Variable Size 145750508 bytes
Database Buffers 25165824 bytes
Redo Buffers 262144 bytes
Database mounted.
SQL> alter database noarchivelog
2 /
Database altered.
SQL> alter database open
2 /
Database altered.
SQL> alter tablespace system begin backup
2 /
alter tablespace system begin backup
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01123: cannot start online backup; media recovery not enabled
tks & regards
umaisi

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