I would like to overlay a graphic on top of an array.

I have the framework for a front panel control that I would like to use. The easiest way for me to have a scaleable soloution would be to have a large, 2D boolean control array that I can simply resize for different projects.
Each boolean control needs to have a different label, so that is making it very hard to just use a simple boolean array. I have come pretty close to a solution, but I just can't get it working due to the front panel ordering.
What I would like to do, ideally, is be able to place a transparant overlay on TOP of the the array, sized so that each element in the boolean array has a text label on top. When I need to use a different sized array, I can just put a different image in and not have to mess with the underlying code.
I've tried a few things, and everythig ALMOST works. The overlay looks great on top of the boolean buttons, but the image is on top of the array and blocks the operation of the array control. If I put the array on top of the transparant graphic, the array hides the graphic.
I really need to be able to either click through the graphic as if it is not there except for decoration, or make the array control transparant. The boolean buttons already have a transparant overlay on them already. If I put transparant buttons alone on top of the overlay, it works great, but I can't put the buttons into an array and still have the transparancy working.
Is there some way to make the graphic invisible to the mouse and allow me to click buttons underneath? I'm getting pretty close to just printing out my transparant graphic onto transparancy paper and taping it on top of the monitor...
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I have the framework for a front panel control that I would like to use. The easiest way for me to have a scaleable soloution would be to have a large, 2D boolean control array that I can simply resize for different projects.
Each boolean control needs to have a different label, so that is making it very hard to just use a simple boolean array. I have come pretty close to a solution, but I just can't get it working due to the front panel ordering.
What I would like to do, ideally, is be able to place a transparant overlay on TOP of the the array, sized so that each element in the boolean array has a text label on top. When I need to use a different sized array, I can just put a different image in and not have to mess with the underlying code.
I've tried a few things, and everythig ALMOST works. The overlay looks great on top of the boolean buttons, but the image is on top of the array and blocks the operation of the array control. If I put the array on top of the transparant graphic, the array hides the graphic.
I really need to be able to either click through the graphic as if it is not there except for decoration, or make the array control transparant. The boolean buttons already have a transparant overlay on them already. If I put transparant buttons alone on top of the overlay, it works great, but I can't put the buttons into an array and still have the transparancy working.
Is there some way to make the graphic invisible to the mouse and allow me to click buttons underneath? I'm getting pretty close to just printing out my transparant graphic onto transparancy paper and taping it on top of the monitor...
"And now for something completly different...."
You have described a picture control!
Take a look at the code that was part of the CC & Friends project. THe GUI looks like this;
In that app we did not know at development time, what the emoticons the end user would include in their collection so a picture control gave us the option to "build the GUI" at run time. When that code loads up, it develops the image the user will see and keeps track of where each emoticon is located in the picture. When a user clicks on an image the coordinates of the click within the picture are used to find which emoticon the user selected.
So maybe you should concider implementing your GUI using a picture control.
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HopeSpringsEternal2008 wrote:
* Simple support for "picture frames" when exporting. Some way to apply a frame to an image as part of export with a dozen or so frames included and a way for 3rd parties to create more.
That would be nice. Although support for 3rd parties to add frames *upon export* already exists (export filter plugin + export post-process actions), as well as adding text overlays and such. But since its not built into Lightroom, one has to find them and configure them... And there is no good way to preview them in Lightroom... I think this would go nicely with the previous request - ability to feed image data to plugins for preview in Lightroom. Even if these updates were not built-into the dev module - i.e. weren't kept updated automatically whilst editing - just being able to click a 'see final' button or have it rolled into the build-previews function, so one could have post-process imaging plugins (with preview before export) - might be a nice compromise until true imaging plugins (that fit into dev pipeline) are supported.
The end - for now...
-R

Something I Would Like to see in Flash

When creating animations I start with the final image and
then animate the elements into position e.g. If I am animating the
word FRY onto the screen then I would place the artwork for the
word on screen and then create 3 seperate movies to animate the F
coming from the left, Y from the right and then R from the top.
The problem comes if the client changes something e.g. if
they want the R (only) to be in a different font. In this example
the animation for the 'F' movie would need to move to the left ...
but the problem is that you do not know how far to the left to move
it because you can not see the end position of the animation on
screen.
What I would like is the ability to select a frame in a movie
as the frame that is seen in movies which contain it (in this case
I would mark the end one) rather than the current 'default' of
frame 1. This has two advantages...
1) If only part of an animation needs changing you can easily
see where to move the other elements. (Whilst the above example
would be easy to do without this - it is not so easy when you have
animations inside animations inside animations.)
2) If the aniimation starts with a blank frame then it
becomes MUCH easier to find it on screen. (The current circle that
appears can be hard to find and hard to click on).
I realise that this would be a non-trivial change to
implement - but I can hope.

Onion skinning is very useful, but it only works (as far as I
can tell) for graphics that exist in the current movie. What I
don't think it allows for is for the following...
Put two graphics on screen.
Turn the first graphic into a movie (movie 'A') with 2
frames. Make the first frame blank and keep the graphic in the 2nd.
Return to the top layer, you now will not see the graphic as
it only shows frame 1 of movie 'A' and not frame 2.
Repeat for the second graphic (creating movie 'B') so you now
have 2 movies on the sceen, but there is nothing visible.
Now what I would like to be able to do is see Frame 2 (or any
specified frame) of the movies on screen instead of Frame 1. If,
for example, you changed the graphic in movie 'A' you can not see
how the new movie will look with BOTH the graphics in 'A' and 'B'
visible at the same time. You can run the movie but if the relative
position of the 2 graphics is off then there is no easy way of
positioning them correctly.
Obviously with only 2 frames and 2 movies you can use other
methods, but if they form part of a long and complex animation with
movies inside movies inside movies then it becomes very difficult
to make such changes.

I would like to overlay a graphic on top of an array.

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