Lightroom Color Shift

When I opened a photo in Lightroom, I noticed a color shift. The original photo showed a lot of trees and was very green and lush. when I opened it in Lightroom, I noticed the photo become yellower, before I even began to edit it. It seems that perhaps Lightroom "thought" the original photo was too green; however, it should have been green, because of the subject matter. Is this a feature of Lightroom that I can turn off? I don't like having the program automatically "correct" the color for me. Thanks.
Paul

You're seeing the change that takes place when Lr renders to preview based on the default camera profile
Have a read at http://forums.adobe.com/thread/358016?tstart=0 for an explanation

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Color shift printing from Lightroom 1.3

Windows Vista, HP officejet Pro L7580 printer, Lightroom 1.3, Photoshop CS3. All that being said and having used Photoshop since ver 5 with a variety of printers I find myself stumped with my latest soup of hardware and software. Screen colors do not print out anywhere close on paper when I try to print from Lightroom. Move the file over via "edit in Photoshop" and print from there and everything is fine. In Photoshop, whether Photoshop or the printer controls the color there is no problem. In Lightroom, however I have no control that I can find. I have no additional profiles so the printer controls the color. Photoshop and the printer are both set to AdobeRGB1998.icc. Other then just printing from Photoshop what am I missing in Lightroom?
By the way Adobe, in the future think about either Lightroom or Bridge but not both.

Hi,
Just a reminder for those who missed that thread (I guess this fix also
applies to LR 1 although I didn't check):
[FIX] Darker prints and color shifts when printing from Lightroom 2
(this is for Windows - Mac users please look here for a similar fix:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_13_print/lightroom_print.htm )
The problem :
When printing RAW or TIFF files from LR2, you get a printer output that
is much darker than it should be and that presents various color shifts.
I'm using an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 with the latest Windows driver
(6.50 - which is rather old by the way). The workaround described below
works for me under Windows XP SP3. It should also probably work with
other systems/printers/drivers. Use at your own (minor) risk.
The "official" procedure for printing from LR is as follows:
1. Do not let the printer manage colors and select "Other..." from the
profile dropdown list and select the ICC/ICM paper/printer profile that
you want to use.
2. Click on Print... in LR which opens the Print Settings dialog.
3. Select the options you need and the paper you're using.
4. *Disable the color management from the driver's side* (in Epson's
drivers, "Mode | Custom | No Color Adjustments").
5. Print
Unfortunately, *this doesn't work* for many of us and this produces a
print that is dark and has color shifts as mentioned above. Note that
the same image prints correctly from QImage or Photoshop CS3 (that is,
the printer output corresponds to what you see on your calibrated
display).
Apparently, although color management has been (allegedly) disabled in
the driver, there's something wrong between LR and the driver which
makes that both LR and the driver are still trying to manage colors. In
other words, the "No Color Adjustements" option of the driver doesn't
seem to work with LR.
The workaround (found after hours of hair pulling and paper and
expensive ink wasting):
In step #4,
1. Instead of selecting "No Color Adjustments", set Mode to "Custom |
ICM
2. Click Advanced...
3. Check "Show all profiles".
4. Select Driver ICM (Advanced)"
5. Set *both* the "Input profile" and the "Printer profile" fields to
the very same profile that you specified in LR.
That is, if you specified Pro38 PGPP (Premium Glossy Photo Paper) in LR,
then also select Pro38 PGPP in both "Input Profile" and "Printer
Profile". This has actually the same effect has disabling color
management in the driver (what "No Color Adjustements" should normally
take care of).
That's it. When printing, you'll get exactly the same color results as
when printing from QImage or Photoshop. No more dark prints. No more
color shifts.
One might think that the bug is in the Epson driver but in that case,
QImage would have the very same problem. So I tend to think that the bug
is on the Lightroom side.
Hope this helps.
Patrick

[FIX] Darker prints and color shifts when printing from Lightroom 2

Hi,
The problem :
When printing RAW or TIFF files from LR2, you get a printer output that
is much darker than it should be and that presents various color shifts.
I'm using an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 with the latest Windows driver
(6.50 - which is rather old by the way). The workaround described below
works for me under Windows XP SP3. It should also probably work with
other systems/printers/drivers. Use at your own (minor) risk.
The "official" procedure for printing from LR is as follows:
1. Do not let the printer manage colors and select "Other..." from the
profile dropdown list and select the ICC/ICM paper/printer profile that
you want to use.
2. Click on Print... in LR which opens the Print Settings dialog.
3. Select the options you need and the paper you're using.
4. **Disable the color management from the driver's side** (in Epson's
drivers, "Mode | Custom | No Color Adjustments").
5. Print
Unfortunately, **this doesn't work** for many of us and this produces a
print that is dark and has color shifts as mentioned above. Note that
the same image prints correctly from QImage or Photoshop CS3 (that is,
the printer output corresponds to what you see on your calibrated
display).
Apparently, although color management has been (allegedly) disabled in
the driver, there's something wrong between LR and the driver which
makes that *both* LR and the driver are still trying to manage colors.
In other words, the "No Color Adjustements" option of the driver doesn't
seem to work with LR.
The workaround (found after hours of hair pulling and paper and
expensive ink wasting):
In step #4,
1. Instead of selecting "No Color Adjustments", set Mode to "Custom |
ICM
2. Click Advanced...
3. Check "Show all profiles".
4. Select Driver ICM (Advanced)"
5. Set **both** the "Input profile" and the "Printer profile" fields to
the very same profile that you specified in LR.
That is, if you specified Pro38 PGPP (Premium Glossy Photo Paper) in LR,
then also select Pro38 PGPP in both "Input Profile" and "Printer
Profile". This has actually the same effect has disabling color
management in the driver (what "No Color Adjustements" should normally
take care of).
That's it. When printing, you'll get exactly the same color results as
when printing from QImage or Photoshop. No more dark prints. No more
color shifts.
One might think that the bug is in the Epson driver but in that case,
QImage would have the very same problem. So I tend to think that the bug
is on the Lightroom side.
Note: Although Photoshop CS3 produces a correct printer output, it
demonstrates the same problem as LR when using the "Match Print Color"
option for soft proofing. But in that case, only the preview colors are
wrong. The printer output is ok. Which also tends to demonstrate that
Adobe has the problem, not Epson. Or maybe both... :-) .
Don't ask me why some users have the problem and other don't.
Hope this helps.
Patrick Philippot
MainSoft Consulting Services
www.mainsoft.fr

A sincere thank you for your reply, Michael. Sorry about the "it just doesn't make sense" shortcut. I have been trying to solve this issue since LR 1.1, spending dozens of hours on different trials and digesting everything written on this forum and the B9180 forum about color management and double profiling. My shortcut was a summation of my experience (and my frustration) but doesn't really advance the conversation. Here are some data that should be more useful in diagnosing the problem.
I am running Windows XP SP2. I calibrate my monitor monthly with the Spyder. The reason I suspect this may be an issue of double profiling is because the results (moderately strong magenta overlay plus an increase in contrast) match what more knowledgeable people than I on this forum describe when double profiling occurs. Perhaps I shouldn't presume it is double profiling, and follow Patrick Philippot's lead in naming the problem "color shifts." Patrick does refer in post #2 of this thread, however, to obvious double profiling.
I certainly do have a successful and consistent print method. With PS CS3, and either my Epson 1280 or my HP B9180, the output is almost always dead on. Here is how I do it. In PS from the print dialog box, under color handling I always choose "Photoshop manages colors." Then under printer profile I select the profile designated by the manufacturer for a particular paper/printer combination. Then in the printer driver I disable printer control of color. With the Epson I check the box "Off (No Color Adjustment)." With the B9180 I choose the option "Application Managed Colors." While I sometimes may tweak the final output, these procedures have served me well with PS for several years.
Contrasted with my positive PS experience, my experience with LR printing has been inconsistent. I regret having to be so imprecise but truly sometimes LR produces accurate results that match the calibrated monitor, but most of the time it does not. I use standard procedures with LR that parallel the PS ones described above. In LR's printing panel, under color management, I specify the correct profile, just as I did for PS. Then in the printer driver I use the same procedures I use with PS. Most of the time the prints have the magenta overlay and too much contrast.
BTW, the inconsistent LR printing only takes place with my HP B9180. I have never had any problem with off-color LR prints with my Epson 1280. Again, I emphasize that I have standard procedures that always work with PS (no matter which printer) and LR (but only with the Epson).
Unfortunately the LR printing problems are intermittent. Some of the time (perhaps 20%) LR produces fine prints in the B9180, indistinguishable from PS prints. When LR is printing well, it will continue to print fine until "something happens" and the output shows the color shift. This means I do not get a random sequence of good-bad-good-bad prints, but rather good-good-x factor-bad-bad-bad. Ths problem is that I do not know what this "x factor" is. Once, when LR was giving me accurate output, I simply changed the default printer (Control Panel-Printers and Faxes) from the B9180 to my Samsung 1430 laser; immediately afterwards the LR output colors shifted. Did LR react to this change in default printers? Another time I had good LR printing success with version 1.2 but ran into the problems described above when I upgraded to version 1.3.
Sorry for the long post. I am hoping that someone will see something that I am missing and provide a hint. I think, though, that Patrick is correct when he states, "I tend to think that the problem is with LR. After all, similar issues (obvious double profiling) are observed only in LR but with various printers."

Lightroom Export Color Shift

Exported JPEGs from Lightroom have a significant color shift from how they appear inside LR and PS3, which is a distinct magenta shift and oversaturation.
I have read a number of related posts here and elsewhere that explain the importance of setting up color management correctly in Windows, LR and PS3. I have done my best to follow all this advice and still cannot export usable JPEGs from Lightroom. I am using a Spyder 3 and have carefully profiled my Dell 2408WFP monitor. I am processing RAW images from a Canon 30D into sRGB JPEGs for web viewing, and have set up LR to export sRGB while PS3 is set to the sRGB working space.
I have also read that Internet Explorer and other color-unmanaged applications will display images differently. I understand this, but then it seems to me that every image I view inside Windows Picture Viewer or Internet Explorer on this computer would have the same oversaturation and magenta shift that my Lightroom exports do, but this is not the case. Also, my Lightroom-exported JPEGs have an equivalent magenta-tinted and oversaturated appearance on other computers I use, not just my image-editing computer.
I have set up a web page with example images, screen grabs and system technical information, located here: http://www.dougvetter.com/lightroom
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>What can I do to get predictable color output that looks good outside a color managed environment? All the web content I look at on this exact same system looks just fine in my browser.
The only thing you can do is to calibrate your screen and export to sRGB jpegs.
On average the images will look the same, however very few will look identical simply because there is a lot of variation among screens. The sRGB standard gives you the biggest probability of getting it right. Unfortunately with the current upsurge in people buying laptops, which have in general a far smaller gamut than sRGB (the purple blue problem is caused by bad laptop screens), sRGB is starting to deviate from the average because the average is shifting. At the same time desktop LCDs are giving greater and greater gamut as your DELL display shows. sRGB was designed to represent an average CRT screen. So the crappy quality of laptop LCDs and the refusal of MS to finally live up to their promise of color management in IE is really hurting our chances of getting the right color in front of people.
What we really need is omnipresent color management and some awareness of computers of their monitor's profiles without having to calibrate, similar to printing profiles being delivered by printer manufacturers. They might not be perfect, but they will be good enough. Lacking that, we can really only try to calibrate our screens and use sRGB for web images.

My nikon d3s raw files in lightroom have color shifts

my nikon d3s raw files in lightroom have color shifts in lightroom can anyone help me please?????

An answer to "when do you see it?" would also be helpful, just in case it relates to: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/358016

SRGB jpeg color shift upon import to Lightroom

Hi all,
I've tried to do enough reading to ask and intelligent question, so here goes:
I have sRGB jpegs I shot on a Nikon D80. When I import them to Lightroom, there is a color shift (as compared to the camera LCD). If I open the jpegs in Photoshop (using the embedded profile, ie. sRGB), open the jpegs in Photoshop and assign ProPhoto as the color space, or open the jpegs in Firefox, there is no color shift.
Question #1 - Why is there a shift in LR?
Question #2 - The LR (Melissa) color space is often described as "ProPhoto with a sRGB tone curve". I've not seen the mention of a tone curve in reference to sRGB or aRGB color spaces. What is it?
Question #3 - When an image with an embedded profile is imported into LR, is is always assigned to the ProPhoto space, or would it be displayed in its native color space, and only assiged to ProPhoto upon editing?
Thanks,
Michael.

Reading your question, there are a few things that really worry me. First off, Lightroom assumes images with no profile to be in sRGB, second when the image has a profile or a profile tag (such as your D80 writes) it will honor the tag. You should completely forget about the internal working space in Lightroom. It is irrelevant. The way color management in Lightroom works is the following, you take an image in its source profile which defines the colors in absolute terms, render it into the working space (linear prophotoRGB) using the source profile, which does NOT change the color, and then convert to the monitor profile for display. This is how every color managed program does it. Some skip the working space step. This means that the working space, as long as it is wide enough, does not matter for the display.
>open the jpegs in Photoshop and assign ProPhoto as the color space
And this is extremely worrisome. You should NOT assign prophotoRGB to your image. You should leave it in its embedded space, or
convert to the working space. In general leave it in its embedded space. Your photoshop settings should be as the first image in this old post: http://lagemaat.blogspot.com/2007/12/mildly-lightroom-workflow-for-printing.html . If you need to assign prophotoRGB to your image to make it appear right, implies that your monitor profile is messed up majorly.
>open the jpegs in Firefox, there is no color shift
Firefox normally does not color manage, so it always lies to you. Only when you enable tyhe secret setting will it not lie to you (provided the monitor profile is good). See here on how to enable color management in Firefox: http://lagemaat.blogspot.com/2008/06/firefox-30-released.html
>Question #1 - Why is there a shift in LR?
On a good calibrated monitor the shift should be minor. There is a shift because of color management. The displays on Nikons are good, but you cannot trust them in absolute colorimetric sense. Your shift sounds much larger than normal, which is why we think the monitor profile is probably bad.
>Question #2 - The LR (Melissa) color space is often described as "ProPhoto with a sRGB tone curve". I've not seen the mention of a tone curve in reference to sRGB or aRGB color spaces. What is it?
Again, don't worry about the color space. It is not important but for knowing that it is wide enough to handle anything you throw at it. Lightroom internally uses a color space that is 16 bits and linear and has the primaries of prophotoRGB. It does NOT use a tone curve. For its histogram display and the percentage displays, it applies a sRGB tone curve to the data, so that not everything clusters on one side of the histogram. This is only done for those two displays! Lightroom works in a linear space for everything else. A good document on this was written up by Andrew Rodney a while ago: http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200701_rodneycm.pdf . I discuss the tone curve here: http://lagemaat.blogspot.com/2008/06/srgb-tone-curve-and-lightroom-color.html
>Question #3 - When an image with an embedded profile is imported into LR, is is always assigned to the ProPhoto space, or would it be displayed in its native color space, and only assiged to ProPhoto upon editing?
Explained above. When you're working in Develop, the image is
converted to the internal color space using the embedded profile, any edits are applied, and then it is converted to the monitor profile before display. The step in between is immaterial. It even happens in 16-bit precision to avoid obvious bit steps. In the Library module the situation is slightly different because previews that are generated from your file are used, but the result is exactly the same. There is NEVER any color space assigned to your images, except when the original files have no profile. In that case sRGB is assigned.

Color shift between Library and Develop module

Hi,
I recently noticed a color shift between in the image when going from the library to the develop module. Yes, I know this is mentioned in the FAQ, but I did not find the solutions given there to be satisfactory.
Let me explain what happens: I have taken Photos with my Canon EOS 300D, in Jpeg mode with Color Space in the Camera set to AdobeRGB. The photos I am talking about were taken with Tungsten light with auto white balance and have a distinct orange color cast. I use Windows XP and view my Photos on a LCD Display calibrated with the Pantone Huey system. The Lightroom Library Module and Photoshop CS2 both display the original image almost identically (there are no changes applied inside Lightroom or Photoshop, I view the original image in both applications). Photoshop is set to use the Adobe RGB Color space as its working Color space, Softproofing is switched off. However, when I switch to the Develop Module, the colors (especially the orange hues) shift very noticably toward pink. I can only assume that the Colorspace conversion or maybe some implicit soft proof used differs between the modules. So, to restate the problem: If I switch back and forth between Library and Develop, without changing anything and in 1:1 view to avoid errors introduced by different zooming methods, the colors shift quite drastically back and forth.
I have to say that this is really quite annoying. The whole point for me to use the develop module is to use it to make adjustments to the colors, and for this to work properly I have to see the same colors in both modules and in Photoshop. There is no point in correcting a pink color cast away in Develop that is not even there in either the library module or Photoshop (and that would then have a stronger orange tint because I tried to counter the pink tint in develop).
So this leads me to the final question: Is it possible to tell Develop to use the exact same color settings as the Library Module? Or is there another way to compensate for the color shift?
I hope I was clear in what happens and what I tried to do. If it helps I can gladly provide a sample photograph that clearly illustrates the point.
Thank you in advance for your help,
Daniel

Thanks for your comments, Don and Fred. I hope that this issue will be worked on soon.
Fred, I have set the Preview Quality to High, but it doesn't seem to make any differences concerning the color shift. I have investigated this matter further by now and made the following observations:
*The color shift is a lot less noticable on my laptop (the laptop screen is also color profiled). On my laptop the change is more of a subtle shift in contrast than in color. This might be caused by the smaller color gammut of my laptop display though.
*I have uploaded a testimage so that others can check if this shift occurs at their workstations too - after all, it might be a misconfiguration of my color management software, though I doubt that (because Adobe already states that library and develop render different previews). I would be interested if the color shift I describe is noticable at other workstations too. The link to the testimage: http://www.danyx.com/colorshift.jpg (permission to use the image to test the color reproduction is of course granted hereby).
Thanks for your help, I hope Adobe will listen soon,
Daniel

Pentax K-x RAW color shift problem with Aperture 3

I have seen a few posts similar to what my problem is but not exactly.I have two Pentax K-200D's and a new Pentax K-x. I shoot RAW with all of them and the K-200D's work great. The RAW files however from the K-x are doing something strange. Sometimes (more and more though) the files are being imported into Aperture and there is a radical color shift after they finish loading. ALL of the preview thumbnails look fine in the camera and the Aperture import window. However, after importing them and processing is complete, some of the shots have a magenta color shift, but most that have this problem shift radically to a green tint. Everybody looks like they are in "The Matrix."
I do not have any brightness correction on the camera turned on as other posts imply might be the problem. I have also remove the Aperture RAW 3.2 and tried 3.0 and 3.1 with no solution. 3.0 doesn't recognize the files at all and 3.1 does the same thing as 3.2. Here are two examples of UNEDITED RAW files:
Frame that looks fine in RAW
http://gallery.me.com/mattcline#100470/IMGP5982&bgcolor=black
The next frame taken with the same settings on the camera:
http://gallery.me.com/mattcline#100470/IMGP5983&bgcolor=black
I do have one possible pattern. I had the camera set on rapid fire capture. It appears to me that the first frame I take when the shutter button is depressed looks and translates fine. All the subsequent frames take in rapid fire under the same shutter release have the green shift when taking shots in relative shade. Things taken in bright sunlight have the magenta shift.
Any ideas on what is going on or how to fix this?
Thanks.

kb8wfh wrote:
I just downloaded Apple's RAW 3.3 and it still made no difference.
Going back over the files, I found that going back and forth between the two, see no difference in the RAW processing headings. I did see however that in the meta data that the two pictures I have in the example of those listed above have one difference. There is a setting on the Exposure Bias for the one that was fine was -0.3 ev and the one that has the green contrast blast has an Exposure Bias of 0.3 ev. So the one that looks right is slightly negative. Doesn't seem like that should be a big difference, but apparently it is.
I did take some pictures with the RAW+JPG setting and I had the same problem with the RAW files. Some were ok, some were green, others were magenta shifted. However, all the JPG files looked just fine.
Switching from Aperture isn;t really an option for me. I have been using it for a long time and it generally works very well...perfectly with my K-200D's. It's just some bug with the RAW decoder for the K-x.
It's a known bug and I have been in touch with Apple staff over it, including engineers. It's not just the K-x. Other brands (Canon) and models suffer from the RAW processor gone wrong.
Right now there is no fix. At the pace Apple works at, there may not be one for quite some time. Use JPEG, use iPhoto, or move to Lightroom.
Another suggestion is to phone customer service and complain that their "Pro" program is not working as expected. I spent hours with an engineer going over the issue including a screen share session, only to be told to use JPEG.
This was 4 months ago.

Color shift

I have Lightroom 2,
I upload files as DNG files, edit in Lightroom, then export to ProShow Producer as Jpg files.
The files that open look like DNG unedited files, very dull and flat. I expect some color shift but this is very bad. I need to ed
it them again.
Operating System: Windows Vista

I bet you export them in the ProPhoto color space and your ProShow Producer is not color managed. Solution: export in sRGB.

Lightroom color cast question of JPEG image

Lightroom color cast question of JPEG image
Camera Canon MKII Color Matrix Adobe RGB
Photoshop CS Color Setting Adobe RGB (1998)
Lightroom 1.2 as new lightroom user I did not think that I needed to choose a color setting or color profile until I am ready to print my photos. I have not done any preset camera calibration.
Link to my website with example photo http://www.basecampphotos.com/color.jpg
My question is why is Lightroom displaying the images with a yellow color cast ? The image is a print screen from Lightroom on the left and Photoshop on the right The color cast problem can be seen in the white walls of the stairway. Also when viewing the image with Windows Picture and Fax viewer the walls are white as expected.
Any ideas or suggestions as to why Lightroom is displaying the images with the yellow color cast or what I need to do to correct the issue ?
Thanks
Jim

Almost definitely a corrupt monitor profile. Time and again this turns out to be the cause of such differences between PS and LR. You need to recalibrate the monitor or if you do not have a hardware calibrator, delete the profile from windows' monitor properties pane to test and then get a hardware calibrator.
P.S since you are using adobeRGB jpegs, Windows picture and Fax viewers cannot give you the correct colors even on a calibrated monitor. Those are not color managed programs (I believe picture viewer finally is in Vista but definitely not in XP which you appear to be using). Also, PS has to be correctly set up to always preserve embedded profiles and to ask when you have profile mismatches, otherwise even PS will give incorrect color. Make sure to set this up in Edit>Color settings.
P.S.2: Make sure you are not applying defaults in Lightroom to your images either on import or elsewhere. Sometimes people by accident define develop defaults that in this case might contain a white balance shift. Go to LR preferences and open the Presets tab. Here click on "Reset all default Develop settings" and make sure that only the auto grayscale checkbox is ticked. For images that it might have already happened to, make sure to hit the reset button.

How to fix color shift when converting ProPhoto rgb to srgb IE61966-2.1

How do I fix the color shift when converting my photos in photoshop to srgb for the web. I work in lightroom color space prophoto rgb and after editing in photoshop I convert it over but I get a shift in the colors. Thanks

are you working in 16-bit (ProPhotoRGB, you probably should be)
exactly how are you doing the Conversion
MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT CONVERTING ANY ADJUSTMENT LAYERS (flatten or merge them before convert)
AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE VIEWING THE PROBLEM AREA AT 100% ACTUAL PIXELS when you do the convert

Color shift on Export

I am getting a slight color shift when I export or open in Photoshop CS3. It is very similar to the shift that happened with Bridge CS3 beta before they updated it. The shift seems to be a decrease in brightness, color and contrast.
My settings in Lightroom for open in Photoshop are to use TIFF, 16 bit, ProPhotoRGB, no compression. CS3 is set for ProPhotoRGB as working color space.
Any thoughts on this color shift. I can't get a decent print either, might be related. My monitor is calibrated and profiled.
PS, I looked for this in other threads but couldn't find it. Sorry in advance if this is already being discussed.

Sorry mate have no idea with PC's, hope someone will see this.

Odd color shift and OS color profile question

I've run into something that leads me to believe that the OS X color profile management has caused me a problem. I'd like to figure out how to tell the OS to not manage color profiles in order to avoid future problems. So far this is only an issue when dealing with CMYK images.
A little background...
I received a JPEG image from a photographer. Converted it to CMYK and made minor edits in Photoshop, not touching the color profiles or trying to color correct. I saved a JPEG of the edited image, and imported it into Freehand 10. When imported, the entire image shifted slightly pink. When viewed in Preview or Photoshop it looked fine. It was only when I imported it that it shifted.
A friend suggested this might have something to with color profiles, so I fiddled around with both PS and FH to make sure they were using the same ones. Even when they were the image shifted pink. This was on my desktop machine, recently upgraded to Tiger.
I noticed my PowerBook was still running Panther. I took the same image, same data file, same programs and when I imported the image again, it was fine. Looked just like it did in PhotoShop and Preview. I immediately saved out a PDF for posterity and press use.
Given the above, the only real variable is the version of the OS. This leads me to believe that there's something about how Tiger handles color profiles on the OS level that's causing this shift. What I don't know is how to remove the OS' meddling to remove it from the workflow.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance...
G4 Dual 867 Mac OS X (10.4.3) 768MB RAM, 120GBHD

audi454 wrote:
1. AdobeRGB
2. Im not sure what you mean, preferences in PSE?
3. My client has a print release, I use WHCC to print my pictures and I believe they require sRGB as well.
4. Yes I always shoot in RAW.
Thanks for taking the time to help, I looked at my Lightroom color settings since that's how I import my pics and it was set on Adobe Pro I believe... I changed it to sRGB.
Sent from my iPhone
Thanks for the info : I'll start with the 4th question because it's the less known factor with Elements
If you shoot raw, the settings of your camera (Adobe RGB) will be ignored. This setting works only with the out of camera jpegs. A 'raw' file has no color profile, so PSE needs to know which profile you want for the conversion. You won't find any menu or dialog entries in ACR for that purpose. So, to convert the file when you 'Open' in the editor, PSE looks at the settings in your editor (my question #2, Menu Edit/Color settings...
If you have chosen option 1, 'Always optimize for computer screens', PSE will convert the raw file to sRGB profile.
If you have chosen 'Always optimize for printing', PSE will convert to aRGB...
If you want to take advantage of the slightly wider color space of Adobe RGB because your home printer can use it, select the second option, but if you have to send the picture in sRGB, do not forget to convert before sending. Menu /image/convert color profile.
If you don't want to bother, use sRGB with the option 1. You won't risk forgetting to convert the client version.
Never use 'No color management' in the menu /edit/color settings
If you first convert to sRGB with option 1, you won't get any advantage to convert to aRGB afterwards

Color Shift During Printing

Hello Everyone,
I've been searching the web and these forums for a while, in hopes of gathering some information as to what may be happening when I attempt to print from Lightroom.
I guess I'll start with what's happening and what I've tried. I've been testing on 3 different platforms:
Windows XP SP2
Windows Vista
Mac OSX 10.4.x
Regardless of the platform (windows or mac) I do get predictable results. When I print, there's a noticeable color-shift in my output as compared to what's visible on screen. The print preview also shows the color shift that gets printed. I have a calibrated display (x-rite).
As I compare the output to another application (in OSX), the other application prints "as expected" and its print preview also display correctly.
The oddest thing I am running into is, in OSX I can set the OS's print setting the same for each application, and I still get the color shift in Lightroom.
Here's a screen grab of the color shift:
http://web.mac.com/camrewop/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html
I'm at a loss, and I am hoping this is something silly that I have overlooked on my part. I've tried pretty much every combination of settings on the windows side of things to troubleshoot the problem, but have never gotten anywhere.
ny help would be greatly appreciated.

Agreed, there are some very long threads that weave in and out of this issue. In summary the issue appears to affect windows users (XP & Vista) printing with certain Epson and Canon printers.
I have an Epson Deskjet 5550 that produced prints from lightroom with exactly the symptoms described by others - dark, muddy colours and very weak reds. I have tested with another Epson printer, a Stylus Photo R200 and with this Lightroom produces perfect prints.
I have added ICC profiles for ProPhoto RGB and Adobe RGB in addition to the default sRGB. If you choose ProPhoto RGB as the default and print from another application (Picassa, Vista Photo Gallery) then you get prints that look exactly like the bad prints from Lightroom. This suggests that it is due to a problem with colour space transformation and nothing to do with calibration.
Many threads suggest turning off "Managed by Printer" but those suffering from this issue are likely to find that clicking on "Other" will give a blank screen with nothing available to select. So you have no choice but to use MBP. I found that after adding the R200 I finally had made some options available other than MBB.

Color shift when exporting to sRGB (mac)

I just noticed the following: when I export an image (shot with my Nikon D80, RAW, developed from within Lightroom 2) as JPEG, 100%, sRGB color space, I get a strange color shift towards red, more saturated colors. Everything looks great when I view my image after export from within Finder or Apple Preview. However, when I drag that same file into the browser (Firefox) or then order prints from a photo service, the heavy red color shift is noticable. I've attached an image for you guys to see what I mean.
What am I doing wrong? Can someone please help?
I'm thinking that it might have to do with my color calibration? (I calibrated my monitor using the Spyder3 Elite device)
Edit: By the way, I just turned off my color calibration (changed display profiles), but that didn't fix the problem. Also, the color shift is not visible in Safari (I guess it is able to handle color profiles and Firefox isn't). But still, the color shift is there if I upload photos to a photo printing service and order prints. So, maybe there's something wrong with the color profile that Lightroom embeds in the JPEG file??

Problem continues (2)...
...from both Nikon and Canon RAW sources (I use a 5D MkII), but is it an LR3 issue or a Mac issue? Having read all the posts, I'm still struggling, but here's my contribution.
A while ago I noticed that colour files, once uploaded to the net, were way too red and saturated as per image below. Resolutions attempted so far below (all to no avail):
Tested different web browsers; found Firefox and Safari to be similar (to each other), Chrome very much brighter, but none of them are even close to original, so I'm not sure the Firefox loss of colour management mentioned by another contributor explains the issue.
Change web display vehicle; I find the same on my new web site as I did on Jalbum and various others.
Calibrate monitor (of course). Screen to output is 99% perfect on this monitor, when soft proofed with correct ICC profiles, so I very much doubt the wide gamut monitor is at fault. (I do find it hard to agree with the notion of it being the wide gamut screen. The whole point of a wide gamut screen is that it cn show a wider range of colours (e.g. in Adobe 98), and when an image's colour space is reduced (e.g. to sRGB) a wide gamut screen can still show that - especially if it is the same screen that didn't have this problem a year ago...).
Looked at images on a narrow-gamut screen. Same problem.
Changed colour space from Adobe 98 to ProPhoto in LR3 & CS3. Suspected mismatch between LR3 and CS3 because RAW files converted to DNG and edited in LR3, then pixel edited in CS3 and returned to LR3, come back in a different colour. Using ProPhoto has resolved that particular problem, but made no difference to faulty JPG display once on net.
Tested JPG conversion compared to other file formats; match between JPG and original RAW and PSD files perfect, whether displayed in LR3, CS3 or Preview, and whether exported to JPG from LR3, CS3 or Bridge. Problem definitely only occurs once images are on web.
Does anybody know anyone who doesn't have this issue and is using LR3 on a Mac with CS3 and OS 10.5.8?
Any updates or new ideas most welcome.

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