Multicam and external audio workflow ?

Gents,
I'm starting a new project and for the first time I have to combine footage from two cameras and an external audio recorder, I just need few hints about the correct workflow to make sure I won't waste time with wrong methods. The event is about 1 hour long (wedding).
CamA has almost the full event, divided in 3 large files (fixed camera, rec always on, divided in 3 because of 29 minutes per clip limitations in EU), I used CamA to fill the gaps between CamB clips.
CamB has more than a hundred clips
Both cam A & B have internal recording but I also recorded the entire event with an external recorder, creating a single .mp3 file.
I need to create a 20/25 minutes video,
What is the best workflow to sync Cam B clips with Cam A ? How would you work with two camera files and the external audio as main and only good audio ?
Thanks

It doesn't look as though the audio file synced with the other angles.
Open the multiclip in the angle editor from the event broswer. Is the external audio present?
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