Notebooks in Forte Visual

I am just starting to look at Forte Visual for C++ and am wondering how I might create a widget similar to the Java JTabbedPane container? Anyone developed something like this using Forte and the Motif widget set?
grumpy

I am assuming you mean ODBC instead of JDBC. If so then look at page 35 in http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/forte/forte4gl/35/adb.pdf.
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