Oddities in 10.5 UVC driver

Hi,
I have a question regarding USB Video Class drivers (UVC) for MacOS 10.4 vs 10.5.
Because my mac is a few years old now, I still use 10.4.11 on my primary internal boot drive. I have a firewire external drive I use for backup - and I have installed 10.5.4 on that drive. My computer can run 10.5.4 but it is a little too slow for my every day use. Both drives are partitioned HFS+ Journaled.
I have a Creative Live! Cam Video IM Pro web camera. It is UVC compatible and works *sort of* - thus my problem. This camera has a hardware auto adjust for lighting, brightness, contrast, etc - and it works great... when it works...
On 10.4 - I get jerky video, the audio sounds like I am gargling, and the auto adjustment of the brightness, contrast by the webcam's hardware works Great - awesome video output (but slow, blurry frame rates at about 3 frames/sec max).
On 10.5 - the UVC driver has been updated in the OS. Now I get full 30 frame/sec video which is great. The audio works great - no more gargling! (after adjusting the microphone input sensitiveness in the system preferences. But the auto lighting adjust doesn't work (in the webcam), and the picture looks very dark and blatently it just looks like crap. I can use iglasses software to help - but the camera did a much better job and it still looks quite mediocre. It looks like taking a still photo in a dark room, and using photoshop to adjust the brightness, color, contrast, etc. Sure it's better - but very pixelated, distorted, and ugly.
So in the ultimate scenario - I want 10.5's driver to do what 10.4 did - and allow the auto adjust in the webcam hardware to work properly.
I think the UVC driver may be doing adjusting. My theory is that the webcam adjust to the proper brightness, but then the mac UVC driver sees that it's too bright (which it really isn't) and adjusts it back down. Just a theory at the moment.
If anyone has any advice to remedy this, that would be great. I would use the external drive for videoconferencing purposes - now if I can only ge the video quality back I would be set.
Is there any terminal command or other way to adjust how the UVC driver operates? Any other ideas are more than welcome!
Thanks.

I did. Got the standard minimum wage tech support answer of "it's not designed for mac". Last time I checked, UVC was an OPEN standard - but apparently in the Creative Labs universe, that isn't the case. He was probably reading from a book and really didn't know squat. Has anyone else had that problem (with tech support people)? - it's sad when the user knows more about the hardware or how it works than the tech support people of the company that made it. Makes me scratch my head.
In any case, I think I have found a reason why it has this behavior. The webcam has auto tuning for brightness / contrast. I believe the difference in the 10.4.11 UVC driver and the 10.5.4 UVC driver is that the 10.4.11 driver uses a slower frame rate. Of course the exposure per frame increases substantially the less frames you have - and thus a much clearer (but jerkier) picture. 10.5.4 seems to use the maximum 30fps resolution and thus a darker picture (as the exposure time is much less). At least that makes sense to me.
I just wish we had the option to choose what resolution and frame rate the Mac UVC driver ran at. There wouldn't be any developer tool or terminal command for this, would there?

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