Physical and Logical Standby

Hi
I just wanted to know can i have one Physical and One Logical Standby for a Single Primary Database. Is there any precautions and steps to be followed .
Thanks

user9366471 wrote:
Hi
I just wanted to know can i have one Physical and One Logical Standby for a Single Primary DatabaseYes this is possible.
See following Oracle 10.2 example which talks also about cascaded standbys:
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14239/cascade_appx.htm#i637055

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Difference between physical and logical standby database

What is the difference between physical and logical standby database?

Hi,
Physical Standy where its a read only DB.
Logs are applied.
Logical Standy where it can be Read / Write DB and the logs are applied in terms of SQL Statements.
Thanks & Regards,
Pavan Kumar N

CPU patch procedure with physical and logical standby database in place

Hello All,
I've also placed this in the Upgrades forum, but perhaps this is the best place to have put it.
I'm trying to compile a decent set of steps for applying the CPUOCT2008 patch to our production RAC cluster which has both a logical and physical standby in place. I've read a tonne of documentation, including the CPU readme, DOCID 437276.1 and 278641.1. I''ve also read through the Upgrading Databases in a Data Guard Configuration chapter of Dataguard Concepts and Administration. The last doc mentioned is really for upgrading a full version of Oracle rather than applying a CPU (at least I think that's the case). DocID 437276.1 is rather sparse on details.
I guess what I'm trying to understand is the proper method for applying the patch with the logical standby in place. The physical standby looks pretty straightforward. After running opatch on it as well, it will basically have all of the changes applied to the primary shipped over and applied as per the normal primary/standby relationship. Will the same be true for the logical (having applied the patch, and then re-enabling SQL apply)? Should I aim to have it work that way? By that I mean start it up and re-enable sql apply and then upgrade the primary. Or, am I to apply the catcpu.sql script to it as well before re-enabling the sql apply? Am I wrong in regards to the physical standby as well i.e. should the catcpu also be applied directly to it?
Thanks very much in advance.
Cheers,
Chris
Edited by: chris.baron on Dec 12, 2008 11:38 AM

Given the fact that your system is far from main-stream I'd recommend opening an SR with Oracle Support Services (metalink) and asking them.
If you would like to publish a White Paper on your experience after you have successfully completed the project let me know off-line.

Apply CPUOCT2008 with both a physical and logical standby in place

Hello All,
I'm trying to compile a decent set of steps for applying the CPUOCT2008 patch to our production RAC cluster which has both a logical and physical standby in place. I've read a tonne of documentation, including the CPU readme, DOCID 437276.1 and 278641.1. I''ve also read through the Upgrading Databases in a Data Guard Configuration chapter of Dataguard Concepts and Administration. The last doc mentioned is really for upgrading a full version of Oracle rather than applying a CPU (at least I think that's the case). DocID 437276.1 is rather sparse on details.
I guess what I'm trying to understand is the proper method for applying the patch with the logical standby in place. The physical standby looks pretty straightforward. After running opatch on it as well, it will basically have all of the changes applied to the primary shipped over and applied as per the normal primary/standby relationship. Will the same be true for the logical (having applied the patch, and then re-enabling SQL apply)? Should I aim to have it work that way? By that I mean start it up and re-enable sql apply and then upgrade the primary. Or, am I to apply the catcpu.sql script to it as well before re-enabling the sql apply? Am I wrong in regards to the physical standby as well i.e. should the catcpu also be applied directly to it?
Thanks very much in advance.
Cheers,
Chris

Given the fact that your system is far from main-stream I'd recommend opening an SR with Oracle Support Services (metalink) and asking them.
If you would like to publish a White Paper on your experience after you have successfully completed the project let me know off-line.

Time difference between physical and logical standby

Hi,
I have just been tasked on getting some info and setting up dataguard for some users for read-only/reporting purpose.
The 3 questions I am being asked are:
1. What is the time difference in applying changes from primary to physical standby compare to logical standby
2. What is the overhead maintenance of having a standby database?
3.What latency is involved?
I will be glad to have your input on this.
Thanks

Hi,
Physical Standy where its a read only DB.
Logs are applied.
Logical Standy where it can be Read / Write DB and the logs are applied in terms of SQL Statements.
Thanks & Regards,
Pavan Kumar N

What are advantage and disadvantage for Physical Standy and Logical Standby

HI,
What are advantage and disadvantage for Physical Standy and Logical Standby configuration?
Thanks
Ken

Logical standby database
The key advantage for logical standby databases is that they're opened read/write, even while they're in
applied mode. That is, they can be used to generate reports and the like. It is indeed a fully functional
database. Also, additional indexes, materialized views and so on can be created.
However (this being a disadvantage) not all datatypes are supported.
Oracle (or more exactly the log apply services) uses the primary database's redo log, transforms them into
SQL statements and replays them on the logical standby database.
Physical standby database
A physical standby database is a byte for byte exact copy of the primary database. This also means that
rowids stay the same in a physical standby database environment.
Oracle (or more exactly the log apply services) uses the primary database's redo log to recover the
physical database.
A physical standby database might be opened read only; however, the received logs are in this case not
applied. When the logs are applied, the database is not accessible (it is then in a managed recovery state).
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Physical standby and logical standby

Hi,
Why we mention standby_archive_dest and log_archive_Dest in standby init.ora.
bcz there is no activity at physical standby.so why we set two parameters?
what is difference between physical stand by and logical standby?

Hi,
A logical standby database contains the same logical information as the production database, although the physical organization and structure of the data can be different. The SQL apply technology keeps the logical standby database synchronized with the primary database by transforming redo data received from the primary database into SQL statements and then executing the SQL statements on the standby database. This makes it possible for the logical standby database to be open read-write and accessed for queries and reporting purposes at the same time the SQL is being applied to it.
Logical vs Physical Standby database
http://www.orafaq.com/node/957
Regards,
Tom
Edited by: Soli on 19.8.2009 13:48

Streams Replication:Source database Physical or Logical Standby DB

Can the source database in streams replication be a physical or logical standby database ? If so, is the process of configuring streams the same as a regular database ? Are there any best practices or different configuration if the source is Logical or Physical standby DB ?
Thanks in advance.

Never done it, but I don't see any reason why it should not work.
Streams, at capture site, is only a data dictionary game and in a logical standby your data dictionary is open read write.
Streams, at capture site, never touch the source tables, in fact they may even not exists from Streams point of view,
as it deals only with the redo that are generated.
So Streams horizon is limited to the data dictionary, the log buffer, the archives and, in SYSAUX tablespace, all the LOGMNR_% tables. All these structures are read write in the logical standby. However, for the capture/propagation you may have to set to true the 'include_tagged_lcr' parameters.

Separation of the physical and logical structures

Hi,
I am very new to Oracle database administration. While reading Sam Alapati's book "Expert Oracle9i Database Administration," I came across the concept of the separation of an Oracle database’s physical storage structures from its logical storage structures. In particular, Sam states the following in his book:
“This logical defining of Oracle's database structure has another fundamental motive behind it. By organizing space into logical structures and assigning these logical entities to users of the database, Oracle databases achieve the logical separation of users (owners of the database objects, such as tables) of the database from the physical manifestations of the database in terms of data files and so forth.”
I am not quite convinced about the value this separation of the physical and logical really adds to the task of database administration. Considering the way DBASE worked, i.e. each table used to be stored as a separate file, what would be lost if Oracle’s implementation were similar and each table (i.e. file) were to be assigned to a particular user. I am not sure of the value added by storing the data from more than one table in more than one file, effectively resulting in a many-to-many relationship between tables and files. Please enlighten me. I would really appreciate it.
Karim

and each table were to be assigned to a particular user. Don't know what you mean. In Oracle, every table has one and only one owner.
I am not sure of the value added by storing the data from more than one table in more than one fileIf an application has a thousand tables, would you rather manage 1000 files or 1?
In general, separating the physical from the logical allows the physical structure to change without affecting the logical (in theory at least). Even a table is a logical structure. We think of rows and columns, but it isn't stored the way we think of it. When we do a select statement, we don't have to write code to read each block, extract the contents, etc.
With partitioned tables, it is sometimes a good idea to split up partitions in such a way to get a performance gain. Like placing the most recent (and most queried) month of data on the fastest storage device. If you stuffed everything in to one gigantic file, you would lose that ability.
If you want to store each table as a separate file, you can do that with Oracle. For each new table, create a new tablespace, and then create a new file for the tablespace. Then come back to this forum in a year and tell us how it's going.

How to collect physical and logical disk counters using query?

Hai friends, i want to view physical and logical disk counters in sql server like Avg. Disk sec/Read, Avg.
Disk Bytes/Read, Avg. Disk sec/Write, Avg.
Disk Bytes/Write, etc., Can anyone tell me how to vies this by using query?
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Hai friends, i want to view physical and logical disk counters in sql server like Avg. Disk sec/Read, Avg.
Disk Bytes/Read, Avg. Disk sec/Write, Avg.
Disk Bytes/Write, etc., Can anyone tell me how to vies this by using query?
Thanks in advance..
Hello,
Sys.dm_os_performance counter will only show counters related to SQL server not Physical disk if you run below query in SQL server it will not return any value so no disk counter is present.You will have to see it using perfmon.
select * from sys.dm_os_performance_counters where counter_name like '%disk%'
This can also be done through power shell but I dont have experience with that.You can search net for power shell query to see Windows perfmon counters
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OBIEE -10.1.3.4.1 - high physical and logical query response

Hi All,
I am facing an performance issue in OBIEE 10g .My report is taking 2 mins to come up and when i fired the physical query in the db the data is coming in 2 secs.
Below is the details from the log file.Here I observed that response time for physical and logical query is 109 sec ~ 2 mins.Please provide me the helpful pointers.
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:04
-------------------- Execution Node: <<2650466>>, Close Row Count = 3332, Row Width = 26000 bytes
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:04
-------------------- Execution Node: <<2650466>> DbGateway Exchange, Close Row Count = 3332, Row Width = 26000 bytes
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:04
-------------------- Execution Node: <<2650466>> DbGateway Exchange, Close Row Count = 3332, Row Width = 26000 bytes
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:04
-------------------- Query Status: Successful Completion
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:05
-------------------- Rows 3332, bytes 86632000 retrieved from database query id: <<2650466>>
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:05
-------------------- Physical query response time 109 (seconds), id <<2650466>>
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:05
-------------------- Physical Query Summary Stats: Number of physical queries 1, Cumulative time 109, DB-connect time 0 (seconds)
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:05
-------------------- Rows returned to Client 3332
+++Administrator:370000:370015:----2013/01/22 07:28:05
-------------------- Logical Query Summary Stats: Elapsed time 109, Response time 109, Compilation time 0 (seconds)

Did you run the SQL from a client on the OBIEE server or your local machine? Does the Physical SQL on the OBIEE server against the DB run in 2 Seconds and when sent by the OBIEE server it takes 109 seconds?? Is that correct?

Export physical and logical details on ASA 5520 and 8.0 software

Hello...does anybody know if there is any way to export details of the physical and logical interface details (including interface descriptions) to Excel, PDF or and other format from the command line or ASDM?
Thanks,
John

Export directly in xls, xlsx or pdf - no.
The output of "show run interface" or "show interface" is pretty structured however and easily parsed by Excel - either manually or via a macro. See output below (you can omit the interface identifier to get all interfaces. I used one for brevity.)
One can build a script to log in, perform an arbitrary command logging the output to a file which can then be massaged to extract the information you want in a suitable format (csv, etc.). Once in Excel it can be saved as pdf if you're so inclined.
Of couse, some of the full-featured network management tools do a lot of this (and lots more) if you have them.
ASA-1# sh run int eth0/0
interface Ethernet0/0
nameif outside
security-level 0
ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.224
ASA-1#
ASA-1# sh int eth0/0
Interface Ethernet0/0 "outside", is up, line protocol is up
Hardware is i82546GB rev03, BW 1000 Mbps, DLY 10 usec
Auto-Duplex(Full-duplex), Auto-Speed(1000 Mbps)
Input flow control is unsupported, output flow control is unsupported
MAC address 0013.c480.6b50, MTU 1500
IP address x.x.x.x, subnet mask 255.255.255.224
14156274 packets input, 16095096189 bytes, 0 no buffer
Received 44764 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants
0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
0 pause input, 0 resume input
0 L2 decode drops
8548524 packets output, 1006461151 bytes, 0 underruns
0 pause output, 0 resume output
0 output errors, 64 collisions, 6 interface resets
95 late collisions, 627 deferred
0 input reset drops, 0 output reset drops, 0 tx hangs
input queue (blocks free curr/low): hardware (255/230)
output queue (blocks free curr/low): hardware (255/125)
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14156267 packets input, 15839536990 bytes
8548619 packets output, 820243613 bytes
39502 packets dropped
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      1 minute output rate 2 pkts/sec, 425 bytes/sec
      1 minute drop rate, 0 pkts/sec
      5 minute input rate 2 pkts/sec, 2091 bytes/sec
      5 minute output rate 1 pkts/sec, 352 bytes/sec
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Changing ip of physical and logical host

I have a 2 nodes Sun cluster 2.2 working. I have to put it in another lan, so I have to change both Physical and logical host and terminal concentrator and console ip addresses. How can I do?
Thanks

I don't see a reply so I'll take a shot. Just like you have 0-9 for numbers and you can arrange them anyway you want, you still only have 0-9. You have the physical (system block and datafiles) which are somewhat static. Then you have the the logical (tablespace, segements, extents)which are volatile and connected by chaining (links) which may be all over the place in the physical but appears to be one whole unit in the logical. Just like an image on a TV screen wearing a red hat, you see a red hat (logical) but it is actual pixels which are chained or linked (data pointers) to each other by the color red. I hope that helps until someone comes by with a better answer.

Oracle - ROWID (Physical and logical)

Hi,
Could you please clarify the below doubts?
- Difference between Physical and Logical ROWID's
- Difference between ROWID and UROWID datatypes
Regards,
Ragav

Instead of an answer, may I suggest you go through following link?
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What is the fundamental diff between physical standby and logical standby ?

What is the fundamental difference between logical standby and physical standby ?
What if I create a physical standby , now I would like to ask that is it possible to open it on read only mode ? If not , then why not ?
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