Sample and hold inputs on 6023e card

I am using a 6023E card and need to input 2 similiar channels into Labview and see the amplitude and phase differences. I have the program working for simulated inputs but the problem (according to NI) seems to be that the time delay in switching between channels causes the phase numbers to be wrong.
Has anyone used a sample and hold vi or something like it that will allow both signals to be read with respect to the same reference? I realize that there are better cards that will do this but this is a student lab and we need 16 of them so cost is a big problem.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dave

There are two ways of correcting for the multiplexing delay of your board.
- You can either use the method I suggested in your previous posting http://exchange.ni.com/servlet/Redirect?id=10455451 or
- You can re-align your signals so they are "in phase". To do so use the Align Waveforms VIs located in your Analyze>>Waveform Conditioning palette. The output of these VIs will be your time signals resampled so they are aligned. Check-out the example called "Correct for MIO inter-channel delay (continuous).vi". But, as mentioned, this method is "overkill" in your case. I'd recommend you to use the first method which is both faster and more accurate.

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Dear Sir,
Thank you for using NI Developer Zone.
National Instruments has a product line designed specifically for acquisition of dynamic signals, it is called DSA - Dynamic Signal Analyzers. In according to the description of your application the card that best fits your needs is the NI-4472 that is available in PCI and PXI format. This card is able to acquire 8 channels simultaneously, as opposed to the regular DAQ cards that have a single A/D converter and a multiplexer. The NI-4472 has 8 Delta-Sigma A/D converters one per channel, what results in a better performance than having a single A/D converter in combination with a sample and hold and a multiplexer. To Acquire 64 channels you would have to have 8 boards and synchronize all 64 channels. The Synchronization process is very simple and with a couple of software calls we can synchronize as many as 112 channels for simultaneous acquisition at 102.4K samples per second per channel.
Regarding your second question, the PCI-6071 will sample between channels in a single scan at the maximum sample rate of the board (1.25 MS/s) but the
scan rate, i.e. the rate in which the same channel is sampled is defined by the user. Being that said, we can conclude that the interchannel delay will be the inverse of the 1.25 MS/s clock, or 0.8 micro seconds.
For a 1 KHz sine waveform, this represent a phase delay of 0.288 degrees between consecutive channels. For a channel list of 64 channels each one having the same 1 kHz sine waveform, the phase delay between the first and the last waveform will be 18.432 degrees.
I really recommend the NI-4472 as a very good solution for your application, besides that the combination of the NI-4472 with LabVIEW and the sound and vibration toolset will give you a tremendous tool to solve not only your immediate need but also provide you a system that will be easily modified and adapted for future needs.
If you need more info, feel free to contact me and I can give you more details about this product.
Call 1 800 IEEE488 and ask to speak with the Computer Based Instruments (CBI) support team.
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Sample and hold

Could you please help me in getting the sample and and hold (Or Peak and hold )functionality of any any given input using LABVIEW
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If Dennis has already answered your question, than you can disregard
this message. I got the sense that your question wasn't about the
"sample-and-hold" circuitry built into DAQ cards capable of
simultaneous sampling, but actually was a software question about
tracking and holding peak (or maximum) values that are coming in
through an analog input. If this is the case, please provide a little
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Hello everyone,
This is the hardware we are using our project and our labview version is 8.2
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NI-9025 Analog Input card
I wasnt able to find any information if this current setup is capable of simultaneous sampling and holding. Eventually, we want to monitor and control synchronous machines. I'm new to labview and if this equipment is capable of simultaneous sampling and holding does anyone have a sample program to illustrate this. from NI.com i did find some programs (thermocouples) that had "DAQmx create channel's" in paralled with eachother. I wasnt sure if that layout executed simultaneous sample and hold.
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NI 9215 - 100 kS/s 16-bit +/-10V
NI 9233 - 50 kS/s 24-bit +/- 5V w/ AC coupling and IEPE excitation
NI 9237 - 50 kS/s 24-bit for bridge sensors
Please post if your application isn't handled by one of these modules. I suspect the 9215 will be a good choice, since it supports the same voltage range as the multiplexed NI 9205 that you already have.
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I am working on a project Cerebral Oxygenation Monitoring. The concept is similar to pulse oximetry. I help already developed the hardware that includes the timing circuit , led driver for driving Red and IR Led, Amplifier and Filter Stage. I am getting the pulse signal but it is multiplexed signal corresponding to effect of both Red/IR Led. Now to separate it I need to use sample and hold circuit, whihc I can achieve with and IC LF398 but I want to minimise this part and directly take this multiplexed signal through DAQ Card in to LabVIEW and further create sample and hold in LabVIEW.
The sampling needs to be in synchronus with the Timing signal given to Red and IR. How I can achieve this in LabVIEW.
For eg: the Red Led is triggered with a pulse of 1 ms with a repeatation rate after 10 ms. So this timing pulse should trigger the sampling part.
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CoastalMaineBird wrote:
Not sure what you need the HOLD part for.
Correct me if I'm wrong:
You have a 1 mSec pulse, every 10 mSec.
Each pulse triggers two LEDs: RED and IR
You have a single signal which contains the processed (through the body, or whatever) responses to BOTH of those signals.
So, how does a S&H, hardware or otherwise, separate the two responses?
Is one delayed in time, relative to the other?
YES you are right, 1 mSec pulse, every 10 mSec.
Above figure shows the trigger pulses generated using standard hardware. One triggers IR and other triggers RED. In above case I had kept repetation rate 4msec
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I have a probe set in quadrature count mode. I have it connected to an SCB-68, which is in turn connected to a PCI-6601 card. I am using a C program to read the counter values from this probe.
I also have a swinging arm (parallel to the floor) mounted on a rotary encoder which is connected to an MID-7652 box, which is in turn connected to a PCI-7342 card, used to control the servo motors to move the swing-arm. The 6601 and 7342 card are connected by an RTSI cable. The idea is to read the probe counter value while the arm is swinging about its pivot in order to measure surface profiles. It is important to know the exact arm position when the probe is read, and so latency is an issue. I am able to create an use breakpoints for the swing-arm.
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Hello,
If you really need the exact pattern to be completely accurate up to 0.1%, then your pulse parameters should be able to change with maximally a 0.1% error.
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Can you let me know if your test allows you to produce the wanted results?
Kind Regards,
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CLD, CTA
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