SAP to Non-SAP Integration best Practices

Hi Folks,
Recently I demonstrated to few of my managers the integration of our SAP ISU with a 3rd Party MDUS System via SAP PI. A question which was repeatedly asked is 'Why SAP PI'? Isn't there any other way to do it? They did mention BAPIs and doing things directly in ABAP but I couldn't really answer as to how weigh one on the other in this particular scenario.
I do know that there are standard ES Bundles for achieving integration with 3rd Party Systems via SAP PI, We can do the interface and message mappings but
is it possible to achieve this integration with the 3rd Party MDUS System without using PI?
3rd party MDUS can only integrate via its web Services so how would they get called?
Whats the trade-off in case of Performance, Development Cost?
I am looking for best practices, recommendations, trade-offs and possibilities. Your input is very much appreciated.
Regards,
Adil Khalil

Hi Adil,
The below blog might be useful
Consuming Services with ABAP
regards,
Harish

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