Security Models 3-Tier Vs 4-Tier

Hello Security Colleagues,
We are evaluating the two models for our brand new ECC implementation.
We have license for GRC5.3,IDM 7.1.
Would you please share your thoughts/experiences ? much appreciated...
I am also searching for SAP recommendations.
Regards,

Hi Raghu,
It is the concept that is important.  Typically this is used for companies with lots of org levels.
Bear in mind the following:
- You will not be able to run single role level SOD analysis using RAR (actually you will but the results will be meaningless).
- You will break the standard auth concept and every transaction addition will take more work for every addition.
- When you remove a transaction you need to evaluate all the auth objects associated with that transaction to judge if they need removing too.
- You will likely introduce additional risks if you have 1 enabler/org/value role which applies to more than 1 transaction role
- Your implementation will be harder to review/audit.  This will increase your audit costs as they will likely need to perform more substantive tests as a result of not being able to check SOD so easy (you could say it is their problem, but it will also become your problem)
- As soon as the originators of the design leave then history shows that the implementation will end up a mess as staff are onboarded who do not understand this method.
- Increased support costs if outsourced.
Out of the many, many implementations I have audited, this concept has left most of them in a complete mess.  I don't know if you work for an end user or a consultancy, if it is the latter then it would not be without precedent that your company is forced to pay for a rebuild one or two years after implementation.  Very few have done it well.
This is just my 2p based on seeing & fixing it.
Cheers
Alex

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    "Andre Shergin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    Raj,
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    "Raj Alagumalai" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
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    WebLogic Workshop Support
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    news:[email protected]...
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