Select Matte or Glossy Display?

I'm planning to order a MBP as a replacement for my PB. I won't be doing any graphic,video or specialized photograhy tasks with it. I understand a glossy display is not recommended for tasks like that. I primarily will be using it at home. I have seen the Macbooks in the stores and tried a side by side comparison to the pros and it did seem as if the MB's display was brighter and the colors seemed to be more distinct than the pros.
The glare and the reflections were noticeable if I looked for them especially if viewed from the side but I don't think that's the way most of us use laptops. I know that I would be happy with either but would appreciate any advice in choosing.
John

I wish they had the glossy option before. I would've gone with it. Just because I've been using matte LCD forever. Just for a change. Plus they looked really nice in the Apple Store.
I guess if you mainly use it indoors, then go for the glossy. It's all personal opinions.

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I went back and forth on matte or glossy a great deal before purchasing my new Santa Rosa 15" MBP. I hope my experience can help with your decision.
I use both laptop and desktop systems. I do a great deal of color work photographing product and producing catalogs and websites. I rely heavily on Aperture, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and InDesign. Attached to my G5 tower is a 23" Cinema Display. I do the majority of my photo editing and layout work on that display and it's wonderful, so long as I calibrate it regularly (this is a must).
I've owned virtually every laptop that Apple has produced in one generation or another since the Blackbird models. I upgraded to the Santa Rosa 2.4 from a first generation MacBook Pro (matte). No laptop I've used has a display that is acceptable for critical color work. Not one, not even close. I'm not knocking Apple's laptop displays specifically, as they've produced some good ones, but rather laptop displays in general. They are simply inadequate for mission critical color work.
I travel with my laptop and shoot products digitally direct to my laptop. The colors I see in the shoots, even with a color calibrated laptop, aren't close to what I get when I get back to my office and begin editing the photos. So, those of you who maintain that matte is the only way to go because it's much more accurate for color editing should really be espousing the use of an external display for those purposes. A laptop display won't cut it if color accuracy is paramount.
So, what do I use the laptop for besides spot work when I'm not at my desktop? I use it for mail, word processing, iPhoto for family stuff using my point and shoot, web browsing, watching dvds while I travel, watching downloaded movies and shows, showing off photos to friends and family, and the occasional bit of gaming, and just a touch of iMovie & iDVD editing. Having just bought my first, I can now say the glossy display blows the doors off the matte display for these purposes.
I took a leap of faith, bought the glossy, and I can tell you it's absolutely gorgeous. For the activities I listed, it's a much more impressive display to look at than the matte. Photos look much richer, colors are much more vivid, and even text is sharper and easier to read. And, despite using it in mixed environments (office with fluorescent lights, studio with hot lamps, home with lots of windows, airports & planes) glare has really not been the issue I had feared. I do not use my laptop outside, so I can't speak to that specifically.
So from now on it's glossy laptop displays for me. Will I do color critical work on it? Heck no, but then again I wouldn't do that on the matte version either. That remains the domain of my Cinema display. But for most everything else, the glossy display, to my surprise, looks much better.
I hope that helps.

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Charles Higgins
To those who must work in bright, unshaded sunlight, Hoodman makes a pretty good reflection/glare 'hood' (sic) that does its job, except it's godawful ugly and bulky.
To everyone else (designers, photogs, and image editors), who must often work in less than ideal outdoor and indoor environments with their MBP's (including the dreaded airline seat), I feel your pain. I do ALL of these jobs, professionally, am an Adobe Beta Tester, have a Cisco CCNE and independently consult for folks like The University of Massachusetts (all campuses), Smith College, Middlebury College, to name a few, on everything from spec'ing Video, Graphics, and Photography labs to deployment, training, etc...
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If it's a deal-breaker to have a glossy screen, you need to re-examine your techniques for use- how you work, where you work, light sources, etc.- because it's a really good indicator of how accurately you perceive color, brightness and tonality accurately... in other words, under conditions that I get unacceptable glare and reflections on my new MBP's glossy screen (CTO 2.8, 320GB 7200 RPM, new 24" on order, DP to DVI adapter out to 30" Cinema Display in home office), I would be getting unacceptable 'light pollution' onto my matte 30" Cinema Display, or any number of CRT monitors I used professionally in days past (Sony Artisans, Barco, etc.), and that's a good barometer, to me, of whether I have a 'pure' viewing environment for critical color work. Just because one can eke out a good or acceptable image view on a matte LCD MBP screen, doesn't mean you should do color critical, submit billing to client work in that already compromised situation. The matte screen often delivers a 'false sense of security' to those folks who work professionally in graphics, video and image editing. I find, or create, an environment that I can work well in with regard to screen viewing, and that's where, matte LCD screen or Glossy, I can get the best results. If I cannot get that environment, I curse my lack of resourcefulness and do work that isn't color-critical, just as I would with any matte screen Mac notebook LCD. In my long experience, and comparing them to even midlevel CRT monitor screens (Mitsu Diamond Pro 22", etc.) is absolutely no contest. Matte screens have an unacceptably low contrast and brightness, and a more primitive rendering of fine tonal gradations and shadows to blacks. My 30" Cinema Display has some of these same shortcomings, of course - but to a far lesser degree. Still, those shortcomings are there, and for the same reasons. The new, DP equipped 24" Cinema Display is a piece of pro equipment that I look forward to immediately calibrating and putting to work immediately!
The clients I've converted to MBP glossy screens because of the shortcomings of any laptop matte screen BTW, my new MBP has a noticeably better screen than the glossy one on my early 2008 MBP (LED backlit); I calibrated both with Gretag MacBeth calibration hardware. I have been able to hardware calibrate the newer MBP to a tighter tolerance.
Got glare? That's a symptom you're gonna probably get less than accurate results from any screen. Having used matte LCD screens in Mac notebooks for many years, I'll take the new LED backlit glossy MBP screens over anything available so far.
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Glossy Display

Hello,
I am a current iBook owner who will be looking at getting a MacBook in the somewhat near future.
I have read alot of posts around these forums saying beware of the glossy display for this reason and that such as glare. However, I don't believe any of the naysayers even have a MacBook.
What is the truth on this matter? What is the deal with glare and how does the screen fair outdoors on a sunny day? It is my understaning that the display is 30% brighter, which goes along way, and I want that aspect ratio badly.
Anything else I should know about the display?
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William,
Here is a link to one of several threads here on the glossy screen: http://discussions.apple.com/click.jspa?searchID=-1&messageID=2451045
The best way to check it out is to go to a store and compare one to a matte screen, but perhaps that isn't practical in your case. I generally don't like glossy displays, but I really like the one on the MacBook. I've moved from a 12" PowerBook, and the brightness and increase in size (and widescreen aspect) are a big improvement.
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Glossy or non-glossy display?

Hello everyone. I am going to get a new macbook pro in a week and I am torn between the glossy and non glossy display. Can anyone share their experience with the glossy display and what is the general advice for someone in my position?
Thanks for your help!

Good morning,
Stay away from the glossy displays, they are can be very hard on the eyes if even a small amount of light hit them due to the glare and reflection. Matte displays are considerably more friendly for Laptop machines due to their ability to manage glare.
Hope this helps! 
David

Glossy display newbie Q

Hi.. I'm thinking of getting one of the new Macbooks but could do with some feedback on the glossy display.
I've previously been using a Dell Inspiron PC laptop with a 'glossy-type' screen which is fine indoors but outdoors is completely hopeless. The general reflection of light makes using the laptop outdoors impossible.
Are people finding this with the Macbooks or are the screens ok (obviously, to a certain extent)
Thanks for any advice. Am looking forward to making the switch!

Hi Fizz,
The best thing to do is to head down to your closest Apple store and compare the two screens side by side for yourself. All the Macbooks have glossy screens. Some of the MacBook Pros do. ALL of Apple's Cinema Displays (the big monitors) are currently matte screens.
I will say that I've recently moved to a glossy screen after years of matte screens on my PowerBooks, and I couldn't be happier. I really like the glossy look.
I'd also argue that no laptop screen is great to use outdoors when the sun is shining directly on it. Whether it's matte or glossy, it's still going to be miserable to use in direct sunlight.

Matte or Glossy - opinions

I have a dilemma ---------- matte of glossy 15" screen.
Currently at work I have a glossy 15" CRT connected to my desktop. It's nice and clear and based on my position I have no glare. I have a notebook (non-mac) which will be replaced - which has a 13" matte.
I will use my MBP 75% of the time at home in a non-glare environment, and inside. The other 25% of the time I will bring the MBP to work daily to take online classes 1 hour per day during lunch in my car (where i't nice and quite) connected to the net wireless.
I will not use the MBP for any designing/art purposes. Just to connect to the net, email, print, download pictures off my digital camera, itunes.
So just wondering if anyone has the glossy how they like it ? It would be nice to compare both in an Apple store --- but there would most likely be trouble with the lights....
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I was having all of the same questions myself about what screen to get on my MBP. After spending quite a bit of time at my local Apple store I think I have finally found the answer. Since what I was looking for was a portable to show clients my pictures and allow them to make selections, I felt that the glossy screen presented my pictures the best. As far as lighting in the store goes, I found that by using all of the laptops in the store in various positions I was able to see the various screens in all kinds of lighting to test for reflections. Once the staff in the store was on to what I was doing they even allowed me to use a MBP from the Genus bar which I was able to move around to change lighting. They were most helpful and told me to be sure to come back when I got my tax return. As soon as my tax return comes in I will be going back to get my MBP with a glossy screen.
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Chris look at my comments in this thread regarding testing reflections in sunlight glossy v matte:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1334434
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I wonder whether the glossy display on a MBP is actually the same LCD with just another film on it or a totally different screen.
I'd like to know because today I saw one of those CrystalView screens on an Fujitsu Siemens Amilo of a friend. The viewing angle and sharpnesss is amazing, on almost 180 degrees I could read the screen. much better I guess than the screen we get from apple or... is there any chance the glossy display option would bring us a better viewing angle?
Personally I don't like the glossy screens but if they're better I might order my MBP with the glossy option.
The store didn't have any on display, so i could not compare.
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Glossy vs. matte is an individual decision so do your own comparison. Probably most clients will actually prefer the look of images on the glossy display, however they may then wonder why the same pix in print or on a pro display have less "pop."
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• More screen real estate, a very big deal when in the field and no external display is connected.
• Much higher pixel count, a very big deal when in the field and no external display is connected.
• Available matte display, a very big deal (to many pro photogs, including me) when in the field and no external display is connected.
• Faster; the added size and easier heat dissipation of the 17" apparently allow Apple to make less engineering compromises.
• Twice the available RAM, a very big deal moving forward as app vendors evolve apps to better utilize available cheap RAM, OS 10.6 and boxes with more RAM access. Under OS X Photoshop (and probably Aperture as well) can already take advantage of up to 32 GB installed RAM, maybe more.
• Longer battery life is alleged, which matters not to me but some folks care.
• After years of using 15" and smaller, starting with the Duo, I now use a 2.33 GHz 17" and far prefer the larger size.
• All the above benefits and it only weighs 1.1 pound more than the 15" MBP.
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Glossy display... bleh

Just played around with one at the local Apple store. I've gotta say, it's too bad the MacBook isn't available without the Glossy display, otherwise it might be a winner. The glare on the screen caused me to squint too often and I got that "eye headache" after extended use. I was surprised that the black MacBook was a Matte finish rather than the glossy finish of the ipods, but on a positive note, it was not susceptible to scratches.

I wondered why in the world a 'glossy' display would be an 'option' on new MBP... and why it was included in the MB. As one poster said (in the graphic arts industry, at least) "we'd put a shade around the monitor to block the glare" - and some fairly expensive shades, at that, if they came from Barco to use on their calibrated monitors.
What's the point of the 'glossy' display, anyway? The advertising indicates that it produces 'more vibrant colors' or something like that... sounds as if it's a glare through-back, something we've been trying to get rid of for decades rather than a feature. I read 'glossy' and though 'GLARE!!' and, as I said, when I saw that it was now a 'free' screen option on the MBP, I just had to wonder... the display, for the most part, is the one thing that has had few problems or complaints (and I've certainly never heard the word 'glare' associated with the MPB... or the now retired PBs, for that matter - it sounds like a sort of spray-on glossy lacquer that you'd apply in an automotive paint shop - I guess you have to keep your screen waxed rather than just clean?).
Interesting to hear that the black MB is matte rather than glossy... that would actually make it more appealing to me than glossy, like the iPod.
Sigh... no Apple Stores around here and I'd really like to see them. If I can work on suppressing my gag reflex I suppose I'll get to CompUSA in a month or so and see if they have, at least, the white on display.
Also sounds as if Apple has a terrific successor to the iBook for the educational markets. The gigabit Ethernet will be a plus for many educational users, as well.
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Finally I found a good deal on Thinkpad W530, I got a good deal on it as its a display piece (the one placed in display shelves) hence I got it cheaper.
I had few questions for which I need answer to ensure me that I havent been scammed by the seller;
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[cbassett360] ... it sounds like this is basic unit (although I don't recall any of the W530's having a K1000M. All the ones I saw when I got mine was a K2000M (which I have) or the integrated Intel graphics, but the K2000M was the most common (I could be wrong).
You are. W530's are baked with either K1 or K2 cards.
[cbassett360] And as stated above, no W530 has a glossy screen. so if it does, it's probably not a W530 (unless by chance someone did a screen swap on it--which I don't know if you can even do that.)
You can. Swapping screens takes 10 minutes. I do it all the time. When did the screen make or break a W530? This is crazy talk. Gloss screens are an option for most any machine.
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